A KYC bitcoiner ≠ a bitcoiner.
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Does that make Saylor "not a bitcoiner"?
It's very simple, if he submits to KYC
or supports it then he's not a bitcoiner.
Did you really think mentioning Saylor will affect my thinking?
In addition, I bet you didn't even know that he was completely against bitcoin before he "turned".
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I did know that, and I suspect that most people you would consider "real bitcoiners" were probably against bitcoin or at least skeptical of it when they first encountered it.
For Bitcoin to fulfill its potential, rich people will need to get involved. As someone who exclusively buys non-kyc I can't imagine trying to buy millions of dollars worth without kyc. The liquidity isn't there and the traditional system's infrastructure is too limiting.
If the problem in your view is liquidity, then your argument is moot.
Try again.
How so? If the liquidity doesn't exist and cannot exist due to the limitations of the fiat system, then it does indeed present a problem for people wanting to buy large amounts of non-kyc'd bitcoin.
Just like I told that idiot on this thread, You not knowing how to get KYC-free bitcoin doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't know either.
And like I told you, I buy all my bitcoin non-kyc. My bank would have serious questions if I tried to send $10 million dollars to a rando with no memo though. You still haven't proposed a solution to this problem, so I suspect you're just gatekeeping to try to present yourself as a true Scottsman
So basically you have a problem with your bank (which most people do) and you would like me to do what? Talk to your bank for you.
Honestly, and I'm not trying to antagonize you, but it seems you're in the wrong game.
Can you imagine you being a leader for us freedom fighters who constantly advocate against authoritarian controls and regulations, telling us "sorry it can't be done"?
If, on the other hand, you really dont know how to beat the system, then you're clearly not cut out for this.
As I've repeated, I buy my BTC non-kyc. The fact that you keep strawmaning my methods without proposing a solution to the problem I presented tells me that you are in fact just trying to antagonize me. I hope you have fun gatekeeping and feeling morally superior to all the people with the same goals and values as you 👍
Share your no-KYC process please.
I disagree with your umbrella statement and think it’s pretty stupid TBH.
But am willing to learn. Give me your lowest risk no-KYC buy process and prove me wrong. And not just you & your bestie sending SATS to each other.
How would someone buy $30K no-KYC BTC over the next 10 days?
Let me get this straight, you want me to show you where you can buy $30k worth of KYC-free bitcoin where you live?
Or did you mean where I live?
Or did you mean anywhere in the world?
Well, if you come to where I live and you have your $30k in cash on you, I can show you how to buy bitcoin within an hour. I don't need 10 whole days.
And why are you measuring bitcoin in fiat if you were a bitcoiner anyway?
Here we go.
Just bring me your bag of cash.
Fuck off my man. Fuck right off.
Is the cash Fiat? Why you want Fiat cash hardo?
Jesus, this stuff is tiring.
Then why did you decide to come into the thread, call me or my thinking stupid and then complain this is tiring?
Nobody forced you to argue, but then again, you probably felt insulted by what I said 😂
If you can't manage to figure out how to obtain KYC-free bitcoin, then you're the one who surrendered, not the world.
I've been buying KYC-free for almost 10 years now. Yes it's not very easy but it's not impossible. It's only impossible for you apparently. 🤣
I’m on a crusade to call out scammers.
And you give me that vibe.
All done now. Have fun with your stack. Hope you get to .1 BTC soon with no-KYC.
Yes I'm a scammer and I need your money.
I started this note specifically to get your money.
I think it's time for you to fuck off on your crusade.
Same vendor takes cash by mail.
I doubt the guy was serious about finding out ways to buy KYC-free bitcoin. He just wanted to justify his shortcomings.
Cash by mail? Are you serious or joking? I can’t tell.
There are other vendors that take other forms of payment as well.
You’re just a complainer at this point.
And you’re a scammer in the making.
Cash by mail. You fucking retard.
Wtf?
You’ve gotta be joking me kid.
Suck a dick & fuck off retard.
Hey. Seriously. Where can we meet so I can get some of your magic coins?
Sorry about before, I mean it. Which PO Box do I send my cash to?
What’s the name of the site again that I can deposit my fiat, whisper through a hole and wait till someone gives me my keys?
2011 my ass. Scammers gonna scam bro. Good on you.
Shame to see arguing on this thread. Besides, turning your kyc stack in to a non kyc stack is fairly trivial these days with liquid and lightning offering simple ways through.
if you custody your own keys, you're a bitcoiner. KYC means nothing, at that point. Withdraw and Send are absolutely identical from a platform standpoint ,zero difference.
If i sent you a payment from CashApp or Strike, now you're me...? 😂
And if you don't self-custody your keys? What do you call these people? Bitcoiners too?
lol
that's your retort?
bitcoin in custody of someone else, or entity, is an IOU
non-KYC is a meme
all bitcoin is non-KYC
It wasn't a retort it was a question.
So you're saying that even people who don't self-custody are considered bitcoiners in your view?
bitcoiners in the sense that they've taken the first step. same as someone who's mismanaged or lost their keys
where it goes from there?
perhaps they get burned and never return 🤷♂️
or they learn and push forward
everyone has their own trust level
and if you acquire enough bitcoin
perhaps it'll matter to you how you store it
bitcoin will eventually appeal to everyone
And what about those who buy bitcoin stocks and ETFs? Do you think they're bitcoiners as well?
People who submit to KYC, people who leave their bitcoin on exchanges and people who buy paper bitcoin in all its forms really don't understand bitcoin.
If you're one of those people, don't get mad at me, it's the truth.
perhaps that's the path it takes for discovery
discovery paths are all going to be different
I don't really like the saying
everybody gets bitcoin at the price they deserve
but there is a lot of truth to it
when you discover it
you don't have to understand it
that's the beauty of it
ot eventually will eat everything
If you don't understand it, you might as well be buying shitcoins too.
If you don't understand it, you can't tell what makes it great.
If you don't understand it, then why would you buy it in the first place? I'll answer this one: it's because you see it as an investment with an ultimate goal of being fiat rich.
of course
and thats the beginning of that persons journey
where it goes?
i suggest this listen
they have a civilized convo about it
I'll remember to buy all my bitcoin from the nearest back alley I can find from now on
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