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A god doesn't change that, you have the same question about whether a god has always existed or came from nothing

For me, these questions seem to be more productive than whether there is or isn't a god - what larger processes are you participating in, what are you perpetuating? What steps can you engage with to stop perpetuating things you fundamentally disagree with?

There is or isn't a god, and I may or may not be wrong about knowing this. Does being right and then sitting down with a grin about being right actually change anything? Better to find a set of belief systems that I actually align with and perpetuate them.

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DRE 4mo ago

I agree that living out your values matters, but the God question isn’t just abstract philosophy. If God exists, then He’s the source of those values, and there are real moral obligations that flow from that.

If He doesn’t, then morality is just preference, and there’s no ultimate accountability. So the God question actually determines which belief systems are true and worth perpetuating, and whether our actions have eternal significance or just temporary impact.

liminal 🦠 4mo ago 💬 2

If God exists, and is the source of all absolute values, I think its more effective for the masses to have a path to intrinsically understand said values rather than a top down imposition of them. Participating in systems that perpetuate these beliefs and values ultimately is how others will continue to believe, and ultimately staying aligned with my values.

DRE 4mo ago

The idea that we can just “intrinsically” understand absolute values is wishful thinking imo. Left to ourselves, we rationalize whatever we want. That is why civilization depends on those values being taught, defended, and in some sense imposed through law, culture, and tradition. If you do not transmit them from the top down as well as the bottom up, they will disappear within a generation.

liminal 🦠 4mo ago

I mean, you can still have leaders that cultivate the beliefs in others. Perpetuating without understanding is self terminating when faced with a belief system that resonates.