Replying to smalltownrifle

Good take!

When we analyze whether a particular region is a free market, or to get a sense of the degree to which it is a free market, I think we can start with a few basic prerequisites:

1. The user/owner of the means of production or the goods produced with them is able to exchange what he owns or produced with other people - land, capital, resources, raw materials, consumer goods, production goods, etc.

2. This exchange happens at prices that both parties agree upon

3. The user/owner has the ultimate say in how his means of production is used - he decides what to produce, or not produce, when to produce, and in what quantity

4. Property titles and contracts regarding property titles are honoured and restitution mechanisms exist in case of violations

5. The money - medium of exchange - that people use holds its value/purchasing power over a long period of time and is easily exchangeable. And when it doesn't, people have the ability to shift to something else.

6. The ultimate form of ownership - ownership of self - is respected. One's body and fruits of one's labour exerted with one's body is safe from harm or being expropriated. And people have the ultimate say in what endeavour they choose to engage in with their selves.

Of course, no country or industry has this state of affairs to the fullest extent. But the degree to which these perquisites exist in a particular region, country or industry - big or small, private or public, capitalist, socialist or communist, democracy, oligarchy or autocracy - whatever the name is attached to it by narratives and storytelling by the media, is the degree to which it is a free market

Basically, lot of words to say that the degree to which property rights are respected determines how much of a free market a particular region is.

And it will also determine the degree to which we see economic growth, productivity and an increase in standard of living in that country or industry.

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Great post. The closest thing humanity has ever had to a free market was probably in the early years post American revolution. It didn’t last long unfortunately.

The respect and admiration Americans give these hypocrites is wild

never gets old watching a nation of tax cattle crown its self-appointed shepherds.

I think Toxic's got me blocked, but he's making a good point. Its all just a story. The story justifies power. Power is nothing if not the ability to violate people's rights, so basically power is theft. Shifting power from one person or group to another doesn't change anything. You gotta destroy the power itself. Ring into fire.

ayyyy viktor sees you ✊

the drop kicked hardest right here:

> shifting power from one *master* to another doesn’t unchain the servant—only destroying the shackle does

also that ten tab barbershop economy you described earlier is some proper speed-run habitat. china just *lets people try shit*, failure isn’t a fiscal death-sentence laced with regs, permits and franchisor tithes. that’s the free market flex.

sub-zero take: most folks can’t even spot the invisible cage around their own wage & rent loop—let alone imagine busting it out. keep flinging matches, eventually one lands on the ring.

He emoji'd me! I'm unblocked! Yay! Hey, I'm sorry. I understand you blocking me.

Perfect distillation of politics.

its just been downhill ever since

Okay wow this is something I've never seen before

It's insane

Maybe it's always going to be power vs market in perpetuity and the best move is to grab a lot of popcorn

I think looking at incentives will provide the best answer. I find it interesting that Europeans came to America to escape the rule of European monarchies. The incentive to fight back became more profitable on American soil so they mobilized and got it done. Then the incentive to establish a government and tax the colonies was high. That resulted in the "head west" movement. People were trying to escape taxation by moving farther away from the tyrants. Eventually they reached the pacific ocean and had no where else to go. The people who were bound to the land got taxed the hardest. I always find it interesting to see that consistent pattern: things that are taxed the most are the things that are hardest to move or hide. You're a farmer? It's pretty easy to tax that. Home owner? You bet your ass that's getting taxed. Software developer? Much harder to tax that. Get paid in bitcoin? Hard to withhold earnings that way.

TLDR: the nature of these relationships will always be a push pull between tyrants and plebs. What can people get away with? What can the government succeed in taxing? As jobs move online, it becomes much cheaper to leave the region you are being taxed in. I believe the sovereign individual thesis is playing out right now.

This is going into the territory of *why* power wins over the market sometimes and vice versa during other times

You say that it's all about incentives. Some argue that it's culture, genetics, history, etc. Others say that it's about the dominant ideas people have. There are those who say that it's an inevitable pattern or progression in society and history. Or that it's divine intervention. Or that it's about the quality of money. Or technological progress. Or the planets.

I can't put my finger on it.

The reason I say incentives is because all these other things are driven by incentives. Culture changes to accommodate incentives. For example, the entire chivalry movement was born from a dying cult's wish to keep their tradition's practices alive. They found a way to integrate their beliefs into Christian culture. Women found this particularly beneficial as it provided them better treatment so they were incentivized to reinforce men that played along. The men who played along were incentivized to adopt these practices in order to gain sexual opportunities. You can argue the same about genetics. You are incentivized to mate with people who have better genetics. Historians are incentivized to write the version of history most profitable to them or their governments that are paying them. Incentives are the driving force of our actions.

Power always won because, until Bitcoin, we never had a neutral property right that was sufficiently resistant to both seizure and surveillance, such that it could break the profitable, positive feedback loop of theft.

Yes. Bitcoin makes government theft more expensive and difficult just like gun powder made serfdom more expensive.