Ava's claim was that it was just the church patriarchy oppressing "independent" and *pagan* women.

The historical data doesn't match that.

- Most of the accused were practicing Christians, themselves.

- Most of the accusers were other women.

- In some countries, the majority prosecuted were men, not women.

- Many of the prosecutions where in front of civil courts, not church courts.

- Church courts excused most of the cases and the civil courts did not.

- The church has the "way out" of simply declaring the person possessed, performing an exorcism, and sending them home. The accused does not have to admit guilt, in order to go home, unlike in civil courts.

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That was not my claim. Read the thread and replies again for yourself if you need clarity.

Also, her statements :

"Cancel culture is a girl thing."

and

"Men do not give other men passes. That's not how the world works."

...are utter nonsense, respectfully 🙏💜

It is women who constantly get away with misbehavior, not men.

You're on fire today.

Very punny.

I wish I could find it on YouTube now but years ago I watched a video of a man and woman in public taking turns being abusive to each other to see how many people intervened. The difference was night and day. Their colleagues even stopped people that passed by and talked to them. One of the guys they stopped who walked by the woman being abusive to the man was an off duty cop and even said he would have stopped if it had been the man acting the same way to the woman.

People seem to have a tendency to infer motives to why people do or don’t do things. Are people giving someone a pass based on gender, either way, or are they giving a pass they would give to someone of either gender. Is it because they don’t believe the other person for reasons that have nothing to do with the relative genders?

It’s like all the culture war stuff. If you think everyone is looking at world a certain way you’ll find plenty of examples that are false positives.

And then bitch about how the mean menz men won't marry them. 🤣

The bill for 1913 & the sixties are both about to come due, should be fun.

Universities… a pact between the church and the bourgeoisie to control knowledge.

First US university… September 8, 1636 in Massachusetts

Salem trials… 1692, Massachusetts

most of the accused practiced herbal medicine too!

So did most of the accusers.

There was no other medicine.

Catholic nuns were one of the most advanced and reliable sources of herbal wisdom, with extensive herbal gardens.

Lots of women were also midwives. It was common.