I like delete.

I like delete.

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I've come around to this position. For a long time I was a delete purist, but I agree it's important to be able to delete. A term like "tombstone" captures the intention better I think, since it's possible to prove a person said something and also that they retracted it. Relays and clients should respect delete, but also communicate to users what the limits actually are.

ok then here is an idea maybe not deleted but hide allows someone on nostr to hide the message so no one on nostr can see it

Rabbleが「みんなNostrは削除できないから使わないって言ってる！NostrのNIPには削除がちゃんとあるし、削除はできるんのに！でもいくつかのアプリは削除のアイディアを好まない、あるいはどこまで削除できているかわからないという理由から削除機能自体をオミットしている！しかし削除はコンテンツの除去くらい重要な社会的シグナルだ(あとは長文を読んでね！)」的な投稿をしている。後で長文読むか。

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So there’s a large group of people waiting to join #nostr so they can delete notes?

I’m with you on this. I deleted over 10k of my notes just to demonstrate that delete works pretty well here.

There is ALWAYS FREEDOM to change REVISE a VIEWPONT of published in subsequent note - (leaving aside typo errors) but just like "word spoken out of mouth cannot retracted back" short works the same way. no one can guarantee that someone didnot grab screenshot what u said/posted before in decentralized mesh. just somewhat wayback web machine archive old webpage.

If y’all support delete you aren’t allowed to call it the time chain.

I’m a pretty strong believer in the right to be forgotten online from a privacy and safety pov.

The only argument I’ve heard to counter is that a delete function could put someone’s freedom of speech at risk, negating the point of nostr. I don’t really see how that’s possible though because the danger would mostly (in this case) come from relays censoring, not the individual, which is possible in the current state of things (I think).

If relays stop hosting your content to save money in the long term, won’t you be deleted eventually, as well?

Having a “request to delete” button is fine in most cases, even if people understand some relays may not comply. You are still lowering your digital footprint if a stalker gets out of control etc.

Implement the delete function. Not having it takes away, i would argue, an aspect of soverignty. Isn't this the crux of the matter? Shouldn't all clients have the function enabled?

Yep! Glad nos has delete. Have used it at least 3 times

I use delete on Amethyst and Snort from time to time if I make a typo and it's only been a few seconds. I quickly delete and hope no one interacts with it before relays get the delete request. If not all clients and relays support delete then it's really hard to delete things.

This post convinced me. Even if the post doesnt really get deleted. I broadcasted my intention of doing so.

This makes sense.

It's not that we don't support delete, its that we support accountability.

i liked it when you CANT delete/edit notes it makes #nostr different than other social media

Silicon Valley Millennial flexible morality is strong with this one.

Maybe there should be a „regret“ button instead 😝

It‘s rather an update of the content, right? Replaceable with an excuse.

See my analogy to being "live on TV". Nostr is a decentralized broadcast network, you can't reliably delete things, no barrage of NIPs will change this.

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I am sympathetic to deleting notes, but personally I'd much prefer a way to Edit them. That is only available for the first 15 min or so, and where edits are public.

90% of the notes that I wanted to delete were bc of typos or bc I forgot to say something. Somehow my IQ increases right after I press the post button and I spot a bunch of errors that I didn't when proof reading the post...

This resonates

while I think deleting should be possible on any client, I don't think those people would use Nostr if it were so. They'll find something else

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Delete works fine. If a relay doesn't respect it, eventually it would become an unpopular relay. If people think/thought there weren't copies of their deleted tweets somewhere, they were kidding themselves