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As an employer, I have no problem working and living alongside people whose political beliefs are completely different from my own.

On the flip side, I will not hesitate to fire anyone, regardless of whether their political views align with mine or not, if they openly wish death upon those who disagree with them politically.

GLACA 3mo ago 💬 1

I agree — firing someone for celebrating a person’s death is your right as an employer.

But what we’re seeing now goes way beyond that.

Publishing lists with names, photos, and workplaces is not justice — it’s incitement. It invites harassment, violence, and possibly worse.

Some comments may have been made in anger or grief, but turning those moments into public blacklists is dangerous.

We’ve seen where this road leads.

When Bitcoiners help build systems like this, it’s not freedom — it’s just the fiat world with new branding.

DRE 3mo ago

The public square is public

Next is public executions. We saw this movie before.

DRE 3mo ago

We should bring back public executions for people that are charged and found guilty of crimes deserving of the death penalty.

Different case.

I agree, mostly.

On one hand, publishing a name and photo is the only way for people to know.

On the other hand, once it’s out there, it could very well make someone a target.

makeheroism 3mo ago

You mean like when President Obama made an example of that one bakery in 2012 that wouldn’t bake the cake for the gay couple? Then the Supreme Court forced them to bend the knee over a fucking cake? You mean a target like that?

This has been the method of one side for over a decade and if we continue to play fair these people will continue celebrating the murder of people who want to debate the issues in public.

I don't remember the federal executive branch having anything to do with that case. I thought it was only Colorado State and the judiciary? Didn't the Supreme Court rightly took the bakery's side?

makeheroism 3mo ago 💬 1

The Supreme Court did ultimately side with them I misremembered. But the fact that it took five years for anything to go in their favor is insane.

Obama openly made remarks about this at the time.

My point is that we’ve been forced to accept the Overton window shifting further and further and now that the weapons that one side has been using for a decade are turned on them it’s all of a sudden “wrong?” I don’t think so.

These people are getting a taste of their own medicine.

That’s fair, I lean in that direction as well.

What many of those people miss is the actual reasoning behind “cancel culture.” They weaponized it to punish anyone with opposing political views. We are using it to call out genuinely harmful individuals, who openly wish violence on those they disagree with.

That being said, we need to be careful not to become the very monster we oppose.

makeheroism 3mo ago 💬 1

Yes. They used Saul Alinsky/Bolshevist type tactics.

I can understand the concern for sure. Not becoming what you hate kinda thing.

I think these people have demonstrated that they are legitimately dangerous in average situations or in their worldview whereas the people on the right largely only ever had “dangerous rhetoric” and even then rarely advocate for blanket violence.

I think this same psychology will prevent this from becoming what it was on the other side.

Only time will tell.

I’ll be honest. I’ve been very wary around these people since Covid. I don’t trust them really.

I’m in the same boat. A few friends from high school showed their authoritarian commie colours during COVID, and ever since then there’s been a lingering tension between us. Honestly, I think it comes down to a complete lack of trust on my end. Push comes down to shove, they'll be on the opposite side, unfortunately.

I try not to judge too harshly in some cases. I don’t know what it’s like to have kids and a wife while being told to either comply or risk not being able to provide for them. Deep down, some didn’t want to comply but did it for their own reasons. Whether I agree or not, I get it. They did what they thought was best for them. Life is tough.

But then there were the militant commie snitches... The ones who screamed for harsher authoritative mandates, wanted to take unvaccinated people’s kids away, called for concentration camps, or openly wished death on them. They showed us their true colours.

I’ll never trust them, and I don’t think I can forgive either.

makeheroism 3mo ago

Yeah I saw a clip where people were talking about tensions between family members because of politics. And the whole thing came down to one of them trusting government and the other not wanting to “have to” and I think a lot of the covid stuff can be boiled down to people just being mad at others for not just blindly trusting government/media and the other people being mad about those people not wanting to go along with stuff.

Either way. I think we are just watching the pendulum swing back the other way.

I don’t think I’ll ever fully get over the stuff from that time period either. I live in an area where things were super locked down for a very long time. When I left here for a couple years explaining it to people in the state I moved to they thought I was exaggerating or looked at me like I had five heads.

I really hope that this current stuff doesn’t end up in some vengeance trip. But I really see where people are coming from wanting to know and exposing how many people are this deranged.

Are you really using ChatGPT to write this shit lol cringe

Dude fuck ai...don't distract from what you just did..what you did is not cringe but possibly a death sentence to someone from that list...so spare us shaming me because I use ai to polish my texts in language that is not my native and now focus on your own action that is forever on NOSTR network.

HODL 3mo ago 💬 1

You’re accusing me of some very very serious things in an effort to get me physically harmed when all I did was share a website that’s being talked about in the news. You are a bad person.

I am just saying that you helped to put target on this people's backs and you will be responsible if people from this list get hurt or killed.

I am not a bad guy here.

I advice looking in the mirror or thinking more before putting content like that on NOSTR.

I will admit I didn’t think about that possibility when I posted it, but that is obviously not my intention and you should not unjustly accuse me of such things. We have more in common than you think and I’m not looking to make enemies with you.

It doesn’t work this way, bro.

You put targets on people’s backs. I’m not unjustly accusing you, I’m pointing out that what you did is extremely dangerous and could put real lives at risk.

This kind of behavior, especially on X, is already morphing into full-blown propaganda. And this list and the idea of lists will be everywhere soon. Not just about Kirk.

This is a signal to every group the system wants to silence.

Oppose genocide in Gaza? In Sudan? Speak up against the machine?

This list tells them: stay quiet, or you’re next.

You say you’re fighting the fiat system with Bitcoin but this is how fiat control actually spreads. Through fear. Through silence.

Don’t help build the thing we were supposed to be escaping.

I tried to engage in good faith here.

But you fucked up forever on Nostr.

And in your worldview that’s unacceptable? How do you expect humans to use this protocol if no one can ever fuck up without running the culture of nostr forever or whatever

Ruining*

It is acceptable. We all fuck up. The difference is that this is permanent ledger of what we say and do.

That's why I always say that Bitcoin is the ultimate truth machine. In fiat world everything can be erased and manipulated but here you bare responsibility for what you do.

I fuck up a lot but I don't support doxxing 10s of thousands of people and putting their life in realistic danger.

I don’t get his point either.

If someone is clearly unwell, publicly wishing death on others, or celebrating when someone innocent dies, are we really saying they should never be called out? Just because some other insane person might hypotically commit violence against them?

It’s very histrionic

Rand 3mo ago

causes menopauses /

DRE 3mo ago

As we should.

There is nothing wrong with policing morality by shaming and ostracizing people. nostr:npub1rtlqca8r6auyaw5n5h3l5422dm4sry5dzfee4696fqe8s6qgudks7djtfs is not trying to deny these disgusting people their freedom of speech or any other inalienable right.

It’s never wrong to do the right thing and speak the truth. Suggesting we should because bad people may do bad things is weak.

ཀռօֆ🝤ʀǟɖǟʍɨᶻ 𝗓 𐰁 3mo ago

You mean

This is a new era of stupid.

makeheroism 3mo ago

Were you this adamantly against when people started doing this to people on the right more than ten years ago?

Ben Justman🍷 3mo ago

They're pretty clear that it's not a doxxing site

GLACA 3mo ago 💬 1

But you see what it is. It's called charliesmurderers, it has name, employment address, photo, doxxed social profile..so what is that?

This people are plain targets put out there by other people. If you or Dan are ok with promoting or showcasing such websites on NOSTR, that's fine..I am not ok with that..and I don't feel like this is what Bitcoin ethos is about.

Why you as an intelligent person try to tell me what they call it?! I see what it is clearly.

P.S. it seems to be down but the damage is done already.

Ben Justman🍷 3mo ago

I just wanted to make sure you had visited the site to check it out for yourself.

I'm not making any other statement about how I feel about it with that