Initial report on pumpernickel: Wow. Most satiating food I've ever experienced.

When health food promoters say food X does Y, I don't generally dismiss it, but I don't put much weight upon it. Usually such effects, while statistically significant, aren't actually enough to make much practical difference. Or it doesn't work on me. Even if the food promoter says something like "four-fold" I still don't generally get excited about something.

So it was with "fiber" and "gut microbiome", and in particular "rye". Supposedly rye has a lot of resistant starch and digests much slower, especially whole rye, and feeds your gut cell walls with short-chain fatty acids which have a long list of supposed health effects. I read (or heard) that some of these effects including reducing your appetite for high-energy foods.

In a post I made about a week ago, I baked 2 loaves of pumpernickel bread. Not for health. Just to try it. These loaves are massively dense, completely unleavened, but remain moist enough to slice thinly and they apparently never go bad (can store in a tin as emergency food). Note that there are variants of pumpernickel that are leavened and do not have quite the same properties... I'm talking about the stuff with no bubbles, just packed dense slow-cooked whole rye kibble.

On the first day of eating this, I probably went in too much at once and it roughed my guts. But I kept eating it at low levels anyways since I had no other bread in the house.

As of today I'm not even half way through the first of these 2 loaves. I've had no other bread or wheat-based product other than this bread. And what has happened has kinda shocked me: I'm not hungry for bread or carbs. I'm eating less than normal. And I keep getting up and doing things, even without the drive of being caffeinated. I've lost some weight, but not a lot yet, but really the appetite supression or let's say the satiety that this bread provides is unbelievable... I would not have believed it had I not experienced it myself.

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grains are not the problem. That most commercially grown grains are not only sprayed with glysophate during the grow cycle but also post-harvest as a desiccant are the problem. (plus all the other crap put in mass produced grain-based foods).

Yeah oats especially, or so I hear.

I'm using organic locally-grown rye.

yea, oats are certainly up there from my understanding.

I used to love pumpernickel bread. Had completely forgotten about it. Thanks for reminder. 🧡✨

i have no cravings for bread or carbs at all

haven't had that stuff in any significant quantity in many years

i do have a serious problem with chocolate consumption though

i am talking like a pound of chocolate per day

i don't count it as carbs though because most of the calories in chocolate are from fat even though it does have sugar in it, but i do not crave sugar itself - only chocolate

I don't crave sweetness myself. Never did. But I always craved starch.

My grandfather always had "Bruno's" Rye bread, a staple at his house, believe it was made in Chicago. This stuff was so solid my mom called it "cement bread" but he (and I) I loved it with some butter and thin sliced Lachsschinken. I used to buy a loaf and keep it in my desk at work for lunch or whenever I needed a snack. Everyone called it pumpernickel, even though it was a rye. They either stopped distributing it to our area or went outta biz circa 2016 and this note reminded me of how much I miss that satiating dense, forever lasting unperishable loaf of goodness! Do you have a recipe you're willing can share? I knew the feeling you describe and want to experience it again

Great. Now I have to order some Lachsschinken...... done.

I'm a walking science experiment for digestive health.

I've been battling Stage 4 colon cancer for the last 7 years. What I eat can play a major role on how I feel. Since I have a colostomy I can also see exactly how something can affect me in many ways.

Cooked carrots are my absolute go to. Without getting too graphic the carrots seem to have the best cleaning properties. Believe it or not your colon can become "sick." This happens when things sit along the colon walls for a time. I can tell as quickly as 1-1/2 day. Coffee is so overrated.

I think what cooked carrots are doing for me is what pumpernickel bread is doing for you.

Gut health is often overlooked.

I'm sorry to hear of your condition. But thanks for reminding me of cooked carrots. I've heard good things about that before, in the way of stomach cancer. Also cabbage juice for stomach cancer. Not sure how it affects colon cancer.

Thank you. I like to drink a kombucha or on rare occasions the darkest local beer I can find.

Reading one's own body is a lifelong journey.

I’m also interested in your recipe if you’d care to share. We don’t eat a lot of bread, but every couple weeks my wife bakes a simple sourdough bread. I think it has five? ingredients… often when we are having company over.

Everyone really likes it except my picky daughter… I love that girl, but she only wants white sandwich bread from the store, and sadly she is stubborn like me! LOL 😂

My grandparents ate a dark bread like pumpernickel or rye, but I didn’t like it. Would be willing to try some again if I could find a fairly healthy recipe

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Crack the rye as little as possible. Each grain must have the endosperm exposed, but otherwise be as large as possible. The boiling water is important as it gelatinizes the rye starches making them retain moisture in the final bread. I baked for only 12 hours and it was ok, but would probably be darker and sweeter at 24. Parchment should be pressed against the dough and made to seal in moisture. Foil wrapped tight.

Thanks, will discuss with my wife if she will make some to try