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I have literally no problem with the US government forcing divestment of TikTok by ByteDance. None. I don't see how they can "ban" it without running afoul of the First Amendment -- and should they try to engage in direct censorship of the platform through something like mandatory filtering by ISPs, I'll be right there with you all.

But if you think forcing a Chinese company, serving the interests of the Chinese Communist Party, that wants to spy on our kids, and manipulate their worldview, with the goal of destabilizing our institutions is "all's fair love and war", due to some highfalutin libertarian principle, than you're actually a moron.

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Mike Brock 1y ago

*then

mark tyler 1y ago

Really unfortunate typo placement 😂

Reed 1y ago

I hear you. But if you don't want your kids to be spied on don't let them use the technology you think is facilitating this invasion of privacy. Id rather decide for myself and my family rather than outsource that responsibility to the government who can use this as a precedent to start censoring content I do think is beneficial for me and my family.

Mike Brock 1y ago

Well, unlike a lot of people in this space, I actually think we need to protect our institutions in order to protect liberty. I think the people who argue the government should have no power to mediate any of these issues, are literally the useful idiots of authoritarians around the world.

Reed 1y ago

I do believe that governments will always have a role to play in society. I would be happy to have a trusted institution meditate these types of issues.

The problem I have is due to the level of corruption currently in our highest levels of government I do not have trust in the federal government institution. Further, I don't see them trying to "meditate" anything, they are simply deciding what their citizens should and should not be allowed to see.

Mike Brock 1y ago

How is forcing the sale of TikTok to a U.S. successor owner doing that, exactly?

Reed 1y ago

Are you saying that you don't believe that the federal government is pressuring US based social media platforms to censor content to align with their narratives?

mark tyler 1y ago

This is essentially the same thought I have come to on this - though I haven’t done my research yet on whether this represents an important change here in who identifies what as “bad”

Mike Brock 1y ago

The CCP is bad. The end.

BitcoinSandy 1y ago

CIA probably worse

Diacone Frost 1y ago

the tech which can be banned is bad. worthless.

mark tyler 1y ago

If this can’t be used to ban anything else, then sure. I just haven’t figured out whether this bill is specific or broad in a bad way yet.

Derek Orrell 1y ago

Ehhh drop the moron part and put confused or misguided. I’m in! The echo chamber is sophisticated.

Mike Brock 1y ago

I do think that people who think everything the government does is instinctively a slippery slope towards totalitarianism is moronic. I'm sorry. It's paranoid stupidity. What do people want from me? This chaos climbing is exhausting.

King Bryant 1y ago

One day the ppl will grow enough balls to stand up against the United States government