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That's how you see it, and I see it differently.

In any case, once again, Putin does not have inherent rights to Ukraine's ports. Putin does not have inherent rights to dictate whether Ukraine signs commercial deals with the EU. Putin does not have inherent rights to rig elections in Ukraine.

And most definitely, regardless of everything, Putin does not have inherent rights to military invade and bomb Ukraine, period.

From the historical point of view, I already said I'm all for the ethnic Russian regions to secede, including Crimea, if that's the port you keep talking about.

Jeff Swann 2y ago

Crimea voted to rejoin Russia. Russia rejected that in favor of supporting Crimea's independence & secession. What you supposedly support is the Russian position.

The US installed & funded Ukrainian puppet destroyed the peace talks to prevent Crimea's independence & then enslaved all Ukrainian men from ages 18-60 to fight Russia.

If China overthrew the Mexican govt, installed a dictator that was completely hostile to the US, & then put military bases along the border with the US, I think it would be ridiculous not to expect a military response from the US. It was similarly reasonable for the US to prevent the Soviets from putting missles in Cuba. The US, the UN, & NATO are the most militarily agressive forces in the world. Any sane & honest person (who is halfway decently informed) can see who is the agressor here. Turn off the corp news and wake tf up.

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hh 2y ago

False. Putin's position and reason to invade Ukraine was to cause a regime change in Ukraine. Putin himself has openly said that much.

Russian self-determination in Ukraine has nothing to do. And in any case that ship has sailed now with the aggression. Remember how the Baltics and Poland and Bohemia were completely de-Germanized after the war.

All you ifs and buts are meaningless next to an active unilateral military invasion. There is not justification for it, especially when Putin can't even say he represents the interests of Russia. He is a kleptocrat that owns the State like a feudal lord. "Russia's interests" are unknown and more likely than not at odds with Putin's.

Jeff Swann 2y ago

Yes, the goal is regime change away from the hostile puppet installed by the US. That's exactly what I would do too.