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Do you have any evidence for this claim that it has produced nothing of value? Last time I checked, evolutionary theory led to our understanding of genetics. I’d say that is a positive discovery for humanity.

How does faith, which is devoid of reason, provide reason? That doesn’t make sense.

Because religion is political. You can argue that communism is a religion. Like all religions, they don’t want any other religion competing with them.

nicnym 1y ago 💬 1

Ok so I’m not arguing for religion. I’m arguing for Christ Jesus and how recognizing his existence is beneficial for humans. Jesus taught us to Love God, and Love each other “as ourselves”.

(Healthy, peaceful society)

Also it’s my opinion that having this awareness of God- (call it faith, religion, culture) is more beneficial than atheism or anti-theism.

My main argument is: acknowledgement of God (higher power) leads to understanding natural law (private property) which if fully realized and implemented, would completely eliminate the individual human’s tolerance of tyrannical governments that cause the vast majority of the “evil” we suffer from in life.

I think it is similar to bitcoin- bitcoin is great because we know it can never be changed, it cannot be changed by a government.

If we had a more widespread understanding of God’s Law, which cannot be changed by a government- then that would help us in the fight against tyranny.

But if you don’t believe in God, then why would the government NOT be the highest authority? Able to make any law or money it pleases?

God is the unchanging authority. And that’s what makes religion (theist OR anti-theist) so powerful and dangerous. Because the people are easily deceived.

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MAHDOOD 1y ago 💬 1

These are just your interpretations which make them opinions not fact.

Acknowledgement of God does not lead to respect of property rights otherwise Christians would never violate other people’s property rights. My understanding is that Christians are supposed give their money to the poor which is a form of wealth redistribution (like socialist welfare/unemployment policies). Farmers worked as slaves for life under the church in the dark ages. The church was literally violating their property rights. People that questioned the earth as the center of the universe were violently attacked by members of the church. How is that acknowledgment of god respecting natural law?

People had an “understanding” of god before and it didn’t turn out well. If religion was so great for humanity, it wouldn’t have failed. And if you say that those people just didn’t do it right, you’d be no different than the libtard communists that say the same thing about the times when communism failed.

Bitcoin can be changed. It just won’t necessarily make it better but you never know. At some point bitcoin will have to change in order to fix the time stamp bug.

Why would the government be the highest authority absent religion? Why can’t I be the highest authority in my own life? It’s my life after all. The issue I see with religious people is that they think some authority has to exist. Who said so?

nicnym 1y ago 💬 1

I believe that following the teaching of Christ Jesus would be beneficial for humanity. That is why I am arguing this.

I am not defending the actions of religions or saying "we need to do religion better" like the commies. (good point though)

Bitcoin changing- I meant the consensus, no single "authority" can change the time bug.

The crux of this seems to be the authority question. I believe that you are the highest authority in your life, (God gave you free-will, in my worldview)

We are both "anarchists" I think, I just leave a spot above myself for God, but will never force anyone else to do so.

The problem is there are a mass of human sheep who believe FOR SOME REASON, that there is a RIGHT for the government to own all of us and force us to pay taxes and pay for wars and genocide and etc. This majority of sheep is what gives the government power to send SWAT teams after me or you and no one would really care if we were executed at this point.

So I think what we are talking about is WHY it is that these central authorities are allowed to continue to exist.

Of course control over money is the biggest tool they have, but also control over people psychologically and even spiritually.

Thus, this is why I advocate for a revival of the Gospel of Christ Jesus, which teaches us to follow the natural law and reject false authority on earth in a non-violent way- since there is no King except for God himself.

I believe this approach is the the most effective way to remove the tyrannical state from humanity's future. I do not expect to be totally successful on my own, but I will continue to try nonetheless.

MAHDOOD 1y ago

The reason these centralized powers continue to exist is for the exact same reason you mentioned. People are sheep that want authority to rule over them. They want to delegate responsibility to someone else. They don’t want to do the hard things. They don’t want to stand out and be different. But whether you prefer an entity like the government to rule over you or a religious institution like the church, makes no difference. Obedience to a government or the church makes you a sheep. Religion is a form of government after all. The only way to not be a sheep is to rule yourself. To create your own moral code and follow that.

I already mentioned that humanity living under the rule of the church during the dark ages was a horrible period. Reviving the church of Christ is not the solution and it will lead to violence. The reason it will lead to violence is because there’s no other way to get people to follow it. I certainly won’t follow it. But Jesus wasn’t violent you say? That means it has to be optional right? So if it’s optional, then what has been revived? Christianity under this anti-theism world is already optional. There’s no difference from the way the world is today. The only way to truly revive it is to place the church as the ultimate authority using violence.