Genuine, non-hater discussion topic incoming.

Bitcoiners like to say that Bitcoin is fully uncensorable, that governments can't fully take it down. The problem I see is that even though the *technology* can't be taken down, the means by which people can enter into using said technology can easily be cut off, and not just via KYC. While there's still the peer-to-peer aspect, that also could easily be targeted through surveillance, and unless people start to become fully anonymous (not realistic for most), that's not something you can stop.

On top of that fact, there's a lot of KYCed Bitcoin out there, and the problem with that is that if it's KYCed, it makes it pretty trivial for governments to surveil wallet addresses and transactions.

In this way, wouldn't it be wiser to use a privacy coin if you're okay with KYC? Also, if the legal system ever decides to make it virtually impossible to obtain Bitcoin and you're going to go the route of "privately" obtaining it, then you're not going to get very far if they can surveil all of that information.

To reiterate, I'm not a hater, not by a long shot. Aside from my personal issues with KYC keeping me from buying, I believe in the technology, and I think it's got some serious potential to be the basis for economic change. I'm also not specifically a Monero guy, even though I think that it has some MAJOR benefits. But the problem with Bitcoin's lack of privacy, as well as the fact that KYC is virtually unavoidable, make it hard for me to believe in the maxi opinion that Bitcoin is completely unstoppable. Again, I do agree that the technology itself can't be shut down, but if you can't legally obtain it and you can't truly obtain it privately, then I don't see how it's unstoppable.

Just some thoughts I had. I'm genuinely curious what some of you guys think about this subject.

#asknostr #Bitcoin #privacy #Monero

It's a trivial case: you can easily obtain non-KYC bitcoin through p2p platforms such bisq, peachbitcoin or robosats. You can also attend bitcoin meet-ups and buy IRL from others.

When talking about tech, you have to understand that there are tradeoffs. You can't have it all. This is the case with BTC and XMR: BTC is easily auditable because of its public ledger, XMR is more privacy focused but it comes with problems of supply auditabilty.

Bitcoin is impartial; you can setup a node, run a fulcrum server on it, confirm your balances quite easily and use lightning as well. It's not that difficult or costly as folks make it out to be lately. It can greatly improves privacy when dealing with Bitcoin as well as make you more self-sovereign.

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Aside from in-person P2P, I feel a DEX has major censorship avenues as well, since most fiat payments go through KYCed payment processors that could be forced to censor

That's unlikely unless you are forbidden to send money to your family and friends through mobile banks and online payment services. Reads like FUD.

How so?

If a nation makes Bitcoin illegal, KYCed, regulated payment apps will not be useful in purchasing Bitcoin, just as it won't work with exchanges either. You could still trade between each other but you wouldn't be able to buy anymore without leaving the country which most people can't and don't want to do.

You are pushing FUD.

I don't want to entertain your bullshit scenarios.

Have fun staying poor.