Incorrect grammar. Nostr IS becoming the go to place for internet privacy.
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Nostr isn't private.
Also, piracy 🏴☠️
There is that.
Nostr is more private than any centralized alternative, it's just not absolutely private, which I don't know why its a metric anyway, since nothing really is on an ip based internet without a VPN, and even then, it barely is.
I'm not sure I see how Nostr is private. The point is to post things publicly and be uncensored.
This conversation really has nothing to do with this note anyways, the commenter misread my note 😂
I know , but I just wanted to private it out, you can post things public and uncensored, yet be private in your identity. You can control how much you want the world to know about you, which is what privacy is.
Point it out*
If someone goes to a lot of effort, yes. I don't think there is anything inherent to Nostr that is privacy preserving though.
"Remember, relays can see what your Nostr client is requesting and downloading at all times. They can track what you see and see what you like. They can sell that information to the highest bidder, they can delete your content or content that a sponsor asked them to delete (like a negative review for instance) and they can censor you in any way they see fit. Before using any random free relay out there, make sure you trust its operator and you know its terms of service and privacy policies."
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You need to work hard towards that, selecting reputable relays plus using Tor or a VPN, religiously removing metadata from any files you post, and making sure you never post anything that might lead back to you in the real world. One failure and it's ruined. This is no different than other social media, or the Internet in general really.
It is also easy to mass collect notes. I run a WoT relay. It collects notes from ~60000 npubs on a 2 core VPS with 2GB RAM, and it's barely working to do that. I assume govt agencies are already doing the same, except with infinitely more hardware power, capturing every note that is posted. Using AI to correlate and scan, figuring out who is who.
I would never recommend Nostr to someone on the basis of it being more private, as I feel I would be doing them a disservice. It has many ticks in the plus column, but I didn't think being inherently designed for privacy is one of them.
I've already retorted to Vitor's post but the stupid shit poster I am it's buried deep down, somewhere I can't find.
A simple VPN can go a long way. Yes relays can track your metadata and can correlate it with your npub, but your npub doesn't need to have any information about you in the first place.
For example I challenge any relay operator to find out who created any of the forms in the https://formstr.app global section. It is not possible. Claiming nostr isn't private is stupid. You are responsible for any data you give out, which is what privacy is about.
Exactly. It's up to the user, Nostr, without extra steps taken, isn't inherently private. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Nostr is literally the manifestation of a trustable privacy preserving tool, nothing like this exists for personal privacy, it is privacy without needing to trust, verifiable privacy,
Can you still be stupid on it, ofcourse. But no other tool allows you to be this private, while communicating publicly.
Saying nostr is not private is literally harmful to people who need privacy and now think that they have no other option than to trust a service that will eventually rug them.
The only alternate is TOR, but it's not clearnet, meaning it's not really "public". Also you can just as easily use nostr with TOR which only amplifies it's privacy benefits.
It was my attempt at being clever. As far as privacy and visibility. If nothing is truly private the best we can do is to lean into low visibility protocols.