I love how people cry about "regurgitating talking points" only when its about something they disagree with. Meanwhile youre regurgitating talking points from Guy/Mechanic. Language is funny. And I love them and in fact listened to that episode.

The comparisons between email spam and btc spam isnt perfect, but they do a great job of explaining their side.

The issue is that there are very valid arguments on both sides. But pretending that everybody on the other side is malicious because they disagree with you because you want to LARP as a cypherpunk warrior is dangerous (not referring to you)

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I tend to agree with you. And yeah that's rather not what I'm doing. I am regurgitating true talking points that are relevant and important after my own assessment lol! It would appear you are too, though you seemed unwilling to discuss things in a productive manner to me.

Just so you know, I am in favor of, foremost, property rights (people can and ought to be in control of their mempools and everything else about their node, which they are, even if they run Core or Libre, so long as they are not seriously misled), then, what I would like to see happen and what I personally do with my node, is a lot of filtering of spam but with more forgiving settings on OP_RETURN, around 160 bytes or less, with a penalty that kicks in when the mempool is full that requires them to pay a lot more per byte at that time (my setting is at like 4 weight units per byte). I want spam that is most harmful to be disincentivized the most, and spam that is less harmful to be disincentivized substantially, but reliably less than the most harmful crap, especially as there may indeed be legitimate transactions with arbitrary data, but at a cost to users. This paradigm being adopted by a significant number of nodes would make the path of least resistance for arbitrary data go somewhere least harmful, and yet still decrease spam, in an environment wherein miners have to take on additional risk to circumvent the spam filters.

The nodes are in control. I want to educate them further. If only I do this, it doesn't hurt me: my cache will fill in the blocks. If I and like 5% of other noderumners do this, we will have a noticeable, though slight, impact on the network. What's great about Bitcoin is that we don't all have to be right. That's something even Mechanic doesn't seem to get. I want real discussion though, we can't get to these solutions unless we engage that way.

Too much time on X has me too defensive too quickly, I think lol.

Although Ill admit the language of the post (anybody who disagrees with me is an enemy or aiding the enemy) is what initially triggered me as I hate that black and white level of thinking.

As for the filter debate, I dont actually have that strong of an opinion because I do think that more financial transactions on btc would price them out (although who knows, the "art" industry is full of money laundering shenanigans as is), and history has shown that filtering them out is a neverending cat and mouse game.

I have my issues with core, especially recently, but I do think OP_RETURN would be the least harmful way.

I think the most effective solution is to ruthlessly criticize and shame spammers lol

That's fair! I bet the best solution is a combination of a bunch of bitcoiners employing our two methods in tandem, honestly lol! Rough consensus is great