I suppose the amount of sats for self-custody would be fine for many (not overall but I'm willing to excuse it for now). It's all the other bullshit that disinterests me. I spend more time troubleshooting the thing than using it. I guess I just don't see the point of it all if we centralize everything all over again. And that's the only way I see most people using most of this stuff as it is.

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Yeah but it's tied up in LN, so it's only useful in LN, which is great, but on-chain is more widly accepted than LN at the momet. It's just limiting, and yes I know of services that allow for easy LN to-fiat, but its not as easy as sending on-chain.