nostr DMs will be the most secure, the most interoperable, and the most unstoppable.

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Whats the timeline? I feel like people have been talking about improving nostr dms for months

eventually. there is nothing fundamentally stopping it from happening, it's just an engineering problem. there are already many proposals that are on the right track. I would just add device keys and DH to nip17 to get rid of the remaining metadata and key leak issues.

Nice!

lol... it's won't be anymore secure than signal, session or another truly end to end encrypted messenger. Stop exaggerating

why not? with signal you're trusting their centralized infrastructure that depends on secure enclaves and other dubious tech. with nostr dms could be going to your own relays that you control.

with nostr there will be multiple compatible implementations that keep everyone in check.

it doesn't matter if the infrastructure is centralized if the communication is end-to-end encrypted. The communication is unreadable for anyone who doesn't have the keys as long as the communication is encrypted client side.

Youโ€™re still trusting a single implementation. It could get compromised and noone would know. with a decentralized protocol this is much harder.

trust is not needed with end-to-end encryption.

youโ€™re trusting that the end to end encryption wonโ€™t be broken by an update from a single implementor.

which spec are you considering for Notedeck?

we're going to have a DMs notedeck app that will try to implement all the specs to be maximally compatible (nip17 to start, mls stuff eventually, marti's) I need to start digging into the specs to determine which ones I like the most.

cool. thanks.

Unless you're running an "AI" device that has the capability to scan your screen as you type? Isn't that what the iPhone16 et al are doing now? Oh, and it's not just your device, if "AI" is on the recipients device, your conversation is compromised? I'm just curious...

https://youtu.be/yh1pF1zaauc

yes, but not entirely private now

Thank God for the Atlantic ocean.

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Yhere are relays that host them. Not ๐Ÿ’ฏ private. Why not Keet by Holepunch?

agreed with you . ๐Ÿ’œ

Too bad they don't work so well depending on the client you're using.

there was barely anything working when I joined. The most important thing is that noone has to ask permission to improve things.

Oh. I joined like a year ago. Messages work in some clients, like Coracle and Primal. In others, like Nostrudel, they don't. Although Nostrudel is seems to be the client that has the most features, it's still lacking in some areas. Having freedom to add features to Nostr is quite a nice thing.

Well the messages are working just fine. I think saying โ€œwork in x clientโ€ isnโ€™t exactly how to word that, but I get what you mean.

The protocol works as intended, client software howeverโ€ฆ

So we test, release, patch, upgrade, and the cycle of betterment continues

And @jb55 said:

Hell yeah!