Rights you need to plead for are not rights
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That said, women are also made in the image of God and we love our daughters, regardless of whether they ever marry. And not all women are called to marry.
We want them to be chaste, for their own sake, but celibacy is not wrong. And celibate women have time to do something interesting. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Women can choose to work or not, the same as a man can choose. If the terms of employment, compensation or ownership of property are not agreeable or secure, there is little incentive to work. No father wants his daughter to be faced with either marriage or death, so he will fight to secure her rights over the fruits of her labor.
The problem comes in marriage and the imbalance of power. All partnerships, whether intimate or platonic are fragile. If all legal rights are held equal, the woman has more power in the relationship than the man, not only over her body but over the minds of the children and sympathy of the community. This is how it came to be that men's rights are seen superior to the woman's in a marriage. To maintain order, the woman must yield to the man. It is in his nature to preserve and provide for what is his. It is in his interest to defend his property, and if the woman siezes this through her wry ways, he loses his incentive to provide. Interfere with this 'sacred' institution then the family and subsequently the population will collapse as will women's rights.
This rings true, but population studies seem to show more "emancipated" female populations having higher birthrates, among wealthier countries.
Interepretation of statistics are highly dependent on a-priori criteria, for example you propose female emancipation as a delineation but as you elude with your quotations, this can be more a spectrum than a clear definition.
Well, compare South Korea to the USA. Korean American women are more fertile than Korean Korean women. Women from Iran are more fertile in Germany, than in Iran.
I think this is information.
My general opinion is that US divorce law should be more egalitarian, but that you can't legislate wifely submission into existence. Either she trusts him, or she doesn't.
I agree with this, that you can't legislate submission, however in my experience, submission and/or fidelity is heavily dependent on the predominant patterns of legal decisions in the court system and their respect for property.
That's why we need to bring back common law marriage. Let the partners have the final say in how their relationship will be.
I can explain this with economic, cultural and transitional reasons rather than only their degree of legal rights.
I think those are all related things. SK women are miserable under their yoke and retaliate by refusing to breed.
Possibly. From what I know of SK, the women have a solid chokehold on the family
That's common, under strict patriarchy. He's just a visitor in the home and a paycheck.
Like the way ME guys often lounge around outside because the women basically throw them out of the house every day, and they don't go back until dinner.
Often don't see the sort of affectionate, companionate marriages, that we are more used to, because of the elevated status of Christian women and the more temperate view of patriarchy that it brought.
if you read even just Genesis, the wives had very crucial roles in many of the adventures of the family of Adam... Sarah, for example, repeatedly involved in some funny gambits with people of a city they were visiting because she was so pretty, so, twice she is pretending to be his sister, and as you observe, under patriarchy the sister is in a different status to the wife
Abraham was probably even the case of the first emergence of a more equal concept of the family roles, and that even predates christianity and influenced the jewish family structure as well
what happens in islam and fundamentalist judaism are both regressions, and idk what their religion is called in korea but in Japan, Shinto is also similarly patriarchal, and has a lot of those characteristics you also see in korean and middle eastern islamic family culture... the polygamy changes a lot of things though, as does the hiding of the women
in asia the women are more respected as producers in gardening and agriculture and art
Also, I think Christian divorce is an oxymoron, and marriage is worth fighting for.
But some men need to be left. The only viable alternative is probably dueling, and that has some little-mentioned downsides like men getting shot or run through with sharp objects.