He's not completely wrong, but he's probably a real jerk. I'm conflicted. 🤔
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Love how they're always like, Gonna go get me some foreign woman. 😏
Tru luv, based upon her eagerness to get a visa.
Seems weak to import a wife like she was a product, part of the same superficial transactional culture that is destroying western society like feminism.
Yet hopefully Lauren can be deported to a nice island somewhere so she can enjoy her "freedom" from her civilizational responsibilities as a woman.
I'm just low-key in awe that she joined Threads and had 2000 followers in 4 days.
LOL I have circa 6k, after nearly 2 years.
I'm apparently achingly dull. Need to post more Bitcoin memes.
Ha! This is my most followed account on any platform with 300+. I did briefly top 100 on twitter before I pruned all the bots.
I am the inverse of the Dos Equis man. The least interesting man in the world! I don't always drink beer.. I have an allergy. It makes me stuffy and get migraines.
It’s all transactional, it’s always been.
It’s just more so now.
In the past men, and women who were married off learned to love each other, now people aren’t willing to stay, work together, or improve.
As soon as the other partner loses what the other was looking for then they leave.
No more committed contractual obligations, just instant divorces whenever anyone wants.
Modern Western Society has a lot of issues, and that disease is beginning to spread globally.
the key thing to understand is the mass media manipulation and currency debasement work together to accentuate the psychopathy in people
every aspect of what is wrong with the world these days is rooted in people being conditioned into things that are antithetical to a healthy society, the glamor, the rat race, the trophy wife, the fancy car, the exaggerated gender roles and now the attempt to abolish the idea of family altogether and have biology ignored and the net result is a baby bust that is going to really hurt people in the near future, when over half of the population is over 50 and unable to reproduce, a lot of them bitter from the fracture between man and woman that has been cultivated to make people addicted to products and images
so even when people talk about what a marriage should be it's all dwelling very much on the problem of the narcissism of the other people, and the lack of trust this creates
It just a natural process, burning off the fat before society heals itself.
Most, if not all of these people should not be reproducing.
Only a rare few will be, and hopefully through that more component people will be raised but it's hard to say as long as social programs continue to exist, paying inferior people to breed.
Right now society is going through a Mouse Utopia, and Locusts Serotonin phase.
Violence Soon.
i'm gonna stay on the edge of this little funny island for the time being, get a boat, so i have a lot more optionality when the dust settles
Both of my grandmothers were leaders in their own right.
My paternal Grandmother was head of the Horticulture Society in her small town. Grandfather was a farmer. She was also a full-time wife and mother and grandmother.
My maternal Grandmother was Commissioner of the Girl Guides, helped run her local church. I believe she was the financial officer? I would have to check. Grandfather was a machinist but worked at a grocery store for much of my childhood. She was, again, a full-time wife and mother and grandmother.
Both women were beloved by their husbands and families. They were well-taken care of and lead in the areas they cared about. Their leadership roles came after the family had been established.
This is the ideal model in my mind as the best of both worlds is achieved to whatever degree the person is able.
I'm going to have to disagree with this guy. Nobody can have it all, but removing all roles from women outside the home isn't the solution either.
It isn't possible, anyway. Younger generation is too small, for that.
I'm terribly confused on this one because I'd love to play Angel in the Home, but Hubby thinks that's sorta lame and I'm so easily bored that I'd quickly get up to some mischief. More mischief than usual, that is.
But, I love the idea... Sounds so romantic.
Decisions decisions.
That awkward moment, when you realize how many office jobs are just UMC men parking their women in a sort of Wifely Daycare, to keep her from getting frisky with the pool boy. 👀
I think he's missing the larger point that what wifely submission looks like, in practice, is largely up to the husband. She's supposed to be in submission to him, not to some bitter rando on the interwebs.
For a lot of men, their wife is their greatest confident and the person they trust most, so removing women from public life actually hurts those men. Wives are often business partners or stewards, after all. Or she helps him get business contacts or he uses her income to support his investments or business. Some local farmers have wives with day jobs because those jobs come along with family health-care plans, for example, and they can take out loans against that income to purchase machinery, etc.
If you hide all wives in the house, you take away his greatest economic asset.
I couldn't agree more.
I think the only exception is when small kids are being raised. In our home, I don't want my wife working (she doesn't want to either) while we're building our family but once they're old enough I certainly wouldn't stop her from getting a job or being more active in our business.
Yeah, kids really change the dynamic, but kids don't stay small forever, and some couples can't have kids, so it's important that Christians remember that subsidiarity is a worthy goal. The decision should be made at the lowest-practical level, and that's the home, in this situation.
The whole idea, that we carve such rules into stone at a societal level, in order to keep husbands in their rightful place as the head of house, is schizophrenic. He can't be the head, if all he says is whatever someone has decided he will say. Then he's just a figurehead. He has to be free to make decisions and respond to the environment.
Rights you need to plead for are not rights
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That said, women are also made in the image of God and we love our daughters, regardless of whether they ever marry. And not all women are called to marry.
We want them to be chaste, for their own sake, but celibacy is not wrong. And celibate women have time to do something interesting. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Women can choose to work or not, the same as a man can choose. If the terms of employment, compensation or ownership of property are not agreeable or secure, there is little incentive to work. No father wants his daughter to be faced with either marriage or death, so he will fight to secure her rights over the fruits of her labor.
The problem comes in marriage and the imbalance of power. All partnerships, whether intimate or platonic are fragile. If all legal rights are held equal, the woman has more power in the relationship than the man, not only over her body but over the minds of the children and sympathy of the community. This is how it came to be that men's rights are seen superior to the woman's in a marriage. To maintain order, the woman must yield to the man. It is in his nature to preserve and provide for what is his. It is in his interest to defend his property, and if the woman siezes this through her wry ways, he loses his incentive to provide. Interfere with this 'sacred' institution then the family and subsequently the population will collapse as will women's rights.
This rings true, but population studies seem to show more "emancipated" female populations having higher birthrates, among wealthier countries.
Interepretation of statistics are highly dependent on a-priori criteria, for example you propose female emancipation as a delineation but as you elude with your quotations, this can be more a spectrum than a clear definition.
Well, compare South Korea to the USA. Korean American women are more fertile than Korean Korean women. Women from Iran are more fertile in Germany, than in Iran.
I think this is information.
My general opinion is that US divorce law should be more egalitarian, but that you can't legislate wifely submission into existence. Either she trusts him, or she doesn't.
I agree with this, that you can't legislate submission, however in my experience, submission and/or fidelity is heavily dependent on the predominant patterns of legal decisions in the court system and their respect for property.
That's why we need to bring back common law marriage. Let the partners have the final say in how their relationship will be.
I can explain this with economic, cultural and transitional reasons rather than only their degree of legal rights.
I think those are all related things. SK women are miserable under their yoke and retaliate by refusing to breed.
Possibly. From what I know of SK, the women have a solid chokehold on the family
That's common, under strict patriarchy. He's just a visitor in the home and a paycheck.
Like the way ME guys often lounge around outside because the women basically throw them out of the house every day, and they don't go back until dinner.
Often don't see the sort of affectionate, companionate marriages, that we are more used to, because of the elevated status of Christian women and the more temperate view of patriarchy that it brought.
if you read even just Genesis, the wives had very crucial roles in many of the adventures of the family of Adam... Sarah, for example, repeatedly involved in some funny gambits with people of a city they were visiting because she was so pretty, so, twice she is pretending to be his sister, and as you observe, under patriarchy the sister is in a different status to the wife
Abraham was probably even the case of the first emergence of a more equal concept of the family roles, and that even predates christianity and influenced the jewish family structure as well
what happens in islam and fundamentalist judaism are both regressions, and idk what their religion is called in korea but in Japan, Shinto is also similarly patriarchal, and has a lot of those characteristics you also see in korean and middle eastern islamic family culture... the polygamy changes a lot of things though, as does the hiding of the women
in asia the women are more respected as producers in gardening and agriculture and art
Also, I think Christian divorce is an oxymoron, and marriage is worth fighting for.
But some men need to be left. The only viable alternative is probably dueling, and that has some little-mentioned downsides like men getting shot or run through with sharp objects.
Until a woman’s pussy needs are met FIRST there will be no peace ☮️
The opposite of equality is quality.
That said, insofar as women are humans and humans have rights, it seems more that we should be sure not to be saying we're removing women's rights while still holding fast to some idea of men's rights. Men and women perhaps have separate duties, but duties and rights are not the same thing, and duty is always a matter of context, be that family, clan, company, society, or greater humanity. Rights, to the extent they make sense, transcend such contexts. Duty arises by contract; rights arise from birth.
It's a debate about privileges, not rights, really.
Humans all have the same rights (life, property, association, speech, movement, contract, ...), and those can only be infringed-upon, not removed. Forcing a woman to marry would infringe upon her right to choose who she associates with, who inherits her property, whether she enters into a contract, etc.
Priveleges (like voting) are supposed to be dispersed in accordance and proportion to duties (like securing a common defense), but they no longer are, and that produces much bitterness.
Forcing other mens' wives to stay at home and refrain from commerce, would infringe upon those women, but also their husbands, who have contractual duties to fulfill (ensuring his family is provided for) and therefore should also have the privelege of determining how those duties are fulfilled. The state shouldn't be involved in any manner, either to restrict her commerce or to encourage it.