Hard pill to swallow: in the developed world, as long as we continued to have cash, there simply is no use case for BTC as a means of payment.
Sorry, but I will never stop saying it.
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In central asia everyone uses qr-codes / apps for payments at stores and no one is even thinking about bitcoin. At all.
Asians have different relationship with money to Westerners.
They still have savings in their culture, gold is still important there, they know from experience how bad inflation can get rather than watching it happen abroad.
They will come to understand Bitcoin as savings technology sooner rather than later.
As a savings technology, yes. That's how we use it in the West already.
Yes but how many Westerners save nowadays? They invest in property for NGU, they don’t think of that as saving but rather investing as if they’re somehow geniuses like the meme.
Asians still have the savings ethos, they will adopt in greater numbers soon enough. 
Another point to add to this - Asians haven’t had their narrative cracked anywhere near like what’s happened in the West. Their centralised powers still have a much stronger grasp on their cultural narrative overall than the bifurcation we’re seeing in the Anglosphere.
A one-party system might be shit, but it’s easier to set a coherent Overton window in that system than a two-party figleaf democracy with competing interests.
Not all of Asia is the PRC / RoK / Japan, who do resemble your comment.
Most Asian govts are staggeringly irresponsible, fiat, negligent and corrupt.
Their people don't trust them to do anything useful, that's the biggest difference I see.
Yeah the generalisation of “Asians” is a bit too broad particularly in this context.
But those irresponsible, negligent and corrupt governments, they still pretty much all have much better control of their societies Overton windows than any Western country you can point to.
For sure the people trust them less which is really useful, but they have much better control over the media and social media which sets the tone for people.
The difference as I see it is they predominantly use that power to ensure their power isn’t threatened whereas western parasites use the power to drive wedges everywhere so they can maintain a fanatical base.
Yeah, it's the same everywhere, even in many developing countries really. The current banking system has solved the payment "problem" very effectively.
The only use case left would be as an anonymous peer to peer payment system when (it's a when, not an if) cash is banned. Then we can talk about it again. But in any case, 99.99% of the people don't care about anonymously paying for their latte.
simple facts.
What about online payments and micropayments?
How much time, effort, and expense would it take you to send me one cent in cash?
For me the use-case for #Bitcoin as a MoE was planted in multiple instances:
1. Satoshi releasing Bitcoin in Jan 2009 with “Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks” embedded in the genesis block. All developed countries were put through the ringer during the Great Financial Crisis, including my business.
2. Reading nostr:npub1gdu7w6l6w65qhrdeaf6eyywepwe7v7ezqtugsrxy7hl7ypjsvxksd76nak ’s The Bitcoin Standard to understand money, what’s wrong with fiat, and Bitcoin as a world-view. This allowed me to see the full path: SoV, MoE, UoA
3. nostr:npub1s05p3ha7en49dv8429tkk07nnfa9pcwczkf5x5qrdraqshxdje9sq6eyhe has really opened my eyes to seeing everything as Bitcoin-first, including seeing the fiat system’s inflation and oppression.
4. Accepting Bitcoin/Lightning payments for my products, which is my way of getting involved with Bitcoin as MoE.
I read the book, and many more, and I am a well-read free market libertarian, anarcho-capitalist, however you want to call it, so I get it.
Still, lousy and unnecessary as a MoE for daily, common, mass use. It will never replace fiat for that, and we don't even need it to do so. As long as we use it correctly to protect our wealth or for very large transfers of value like the purchase of a house, in which case, it is equivalent to selling one piece of property to buy another.
I’m personally pushing to make sure that #Bitcoin becomes all three: SoV, MoE, UoA
Selling my products in exchange for #BTC is what I’m doing today for MoE.
UoA is likely something my grandson will see.
Right. Selling for BTC is something I'd very much like to be able to do to... Do you also spend it on buying products and services?
The only place that I can spend #BTC is for domain name on Namecheap.com.
Would love to spend on other services like Starbucks, web hosting, internet provider, utilities.
Looking forward to a circular BTC economy.
Do you have anything you’re selling?
No goods, just services, and my clients do not pay in BTC. It's actually a lot more convenient like that, actually. Receive fiat, spend fiat. If I need privacy for an expense, I have my ways.
Whatever's left at the end of the month gets converted to BTC and sent to cold storage. Fewer transactions, fewer fees, more sats stacked.
There may come a day when your clients want to pay in #BTC. Or, to get the ball rolling, you offer the option for them to do so. The cycle starts somewhere.
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“Zaprite allows anyone to seamlessly accept payments in bitcoin and fiat in one integrated platform, whether you're issuing invoices or selling goods or service online.”
Avoid online taxes, simplify loan contracts with crypto collateral, escape from metadata surveillance, crowfund censoredorganizations/projects and pay for censored content are great use cases for crypto.
So, nothing related to paying lattes on the beach then, as I was saying. The use cases you mention are valid and can be summed up as "cash" (anonymous money) and "property" (collateral), which again, are not the main use case we see in the less developed world (payments) which keeps being pushed on us by certain bitcoin "influencers".
