Interesting. I just heard her talk recently on a podcast. I thought it was a great episode.
https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5zaW1wbGVjYXN0LmNvbS9rd1djMGxoZg/episode/NWVkYWVjZDgtZDY2MC00YzVjLWE1MDYtNzhlNWIzODk1ZDFk?ep=14
There were two parts, this was the first one:
https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5zaW1wbGVjYXN0LmNvbS9rd1djMGxoZg/episode/MjVmYmRkYjUtOTczZC00NWEzLTg4ZTEtZmZlN2QzMmRjMzI1?ep=14
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