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Have you ever watched "Hypernormalisation", the documentary made by Adam Curtis?

I haven't and I'm watching it now. But so far I think I disagree with more than I agree with. People that this political vantage point are quite a long ways from where I am standing.

He seems in the first 10 minutes to imply he supports collective action revolutionaries, or at least that he was disappointed that they didn't rise up and overthrow... banks? Revolutions happen from time to time and the only good is that ossification is removed. Generally they don't represent the majority, cause a lot of instability and violence. For example in Ukraine 2014 those people yanked Ukraine out of Russia's orbit leading to the devastation of today. Great job, revolutionaries! The Russian ones in 1917 instituted socialism/communism that made Russia poor. Great job, revolutionaries! The recently one in Syria put ISIS in power.

I don't think banks wishing to collect on their investments represents a new form of political power. It is a very old form of power. It used to be normal to have indentured servants, people who couldn't pay you back that you got to control as slaves until they worked off their debt.

I'm more aligned with Aristotle. All we see today was understood by Aristtotle back in the day. Polity, democracy being a degenerate form; aristocracy; oligarchy being a degenerate form, etc.

I don't think we live in a "strange time". I think all times appear strange when you are living through them.

I'll keep watching.

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d0708145... 10mo ago

Please do, keep watching. You raise valid points but it gets really interesting (At least, I think it does). The nub of it is, that ultimately, nobody has a clue what is going on. It's all about power politics and people in the shadows. The way they manipulate the narrative to a point where ultimately, you just become numb to it. If you finish it, or even if you don't, I'd love to hear what you think of however much you get through, of it🙏🏻. I found it really thought provoking when I watched it about 5 or 6 years ago, possibly longer.

Mike Dilger ☑️ 10mo ago

Yes it is getting interesting. Everybody sees the world from a different perspective, and with anybody I share some views. I'm at the Kissinger part. I don't think Kissinger was trying to balance power though. still watching.

d0708145... 10mo ago

It was your post about Kissinger that fired the neurons in my brain to remember the documentary😬😎!

Mike Dilger ☑️ 10mo ago

His explanation of UFOs makes total sense to me.

d0708145... 10mo ago

Can't remember that bit🤔.

Mike Dilger ☑️ 10mo ago

Oh, that the US was testing weapons, and the government seeded UFO stories to cover it.

d0708145... 10mo ago

As I say, we'll never know. Could be true, could be a psyop. We're just here to try and piece it all together. And well done for getting through the 3hrs(ish) of it all, if you managed it😬😂.

Brunswick 10mo ago

Its hard to imagine today as part of the cycle. Maybe the cyclical model of time is more like an upward Euler spiral than a circle.

Mike Dilger ☑️ 10mo ago

Did I say cyclical? I don't think any cycles that exist are very prominant. I think instead we have novelty, all the time, infinite novelty.

Mike Dilger ☑️ 10mo ago

let me refine that. The principles by whichi things behave and happen are as old as time itself. But the details about what happens always appear novel and strange in the moment. When looking back on them we can categorize and label them and they fall into the principles.

Brunswick 10mo ago

Same shit, different day.

New boss, same as the old boss.

You can't change the spots on a leopard.

You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

People never change.

I suppose you could explain the cyclical view of history as "people never learn" combined with 1 Samuel 8:3-20

There appears to be two sides to the argument on Russia, whether we should be their ally or their foe. Like most false dichotomies, the truth is not in the middle, but that both sides are correct. In this case, an old Nigerian tribal parable keeps coming to mind:

'You can try to make friends with a crocodile by throwing him rabbits every day, and he will come and wait for you every day and be tame as long as you have a rabbit to give him. But when he sees you one day with no rabbits, he will eat you.'

In regard to the West and the 'East' (Russia, India, China), we have a case of two alligators where one believes he can be friends with the other by feeding him rabbits.

The truth is, we both are nuclear powers, and we both have war machines that must continually be fed. Our peace and security is obtained through a strong state. War is strength of the state. Therefore, we seek peace through war.

Brunswick 10mo ago

I interpreted your recital of the Aristotelian typology of constitutions as having a cyclical view of history

Mike Dilger ☑️ 10mo ago

Ok. What I was thinking is that human behavior hasn't changed since Aristotle (since long before really). And the fact that banks affect politics, or governments deceive their citizens, or suicide bombing keeps being reinvented, or whole societies go on pretending things when they all know it is not true (Putin will soon be at 120% support) all these novel-in-our-lifetime human interaction things are not really novel amongst humanity. And this BBC show is making the case that we are all being fooled on all kinds of things... and I think that we are... but just that this is the norm, not itself something novel.

Robertrobert 10mo ago

Ecclesiastes comes to mind.

Dissident Sound 10mo ago

Hypernormalisation was BBC anti-trump propaganda "documentary"

they start off with some random historical facts as these films always do to give themselves an air of respectability and make it seem like you're watching something educational but once they softened you up they just clobber you with the programming

it's a standard trick - all "documentaries" use this. they're all propaganda. they gain your trust and then use it to fuck you in the ass.

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d0708145... 10mo ago

Listen, I know you and Mike like to have a little joust, I'm not getting drawn into it. I found the content quite interesting and there's really not much I could pick holes in it. The world is a mad fucked up place and we're ALL being manipulated in one way or another, and I think that's all he was trying to say. Nobody, not even "The top" politicians have a fucking clue what is going on. It's all The Deep State and people in the shadows. Certainly not the plebs like Mike, yourself and I🤷🏻‍♂️. As Mike says, we all have differing opinions about myriad of things, but equally, I think the 3 of us are reasonably well informed and we insulate/educate ourselves, the best way we can.

Mike Dilger ☑️ 10mo ago

I'm glad I'm watching it and I thank you for pointing it out. Some of the stuff is new to me and I'll have to check up on.

Yes my OP included Kissinger so I get why you thought of this thing.

d0708145... 10mo ago

Like i say, it's not perfect but I just found it thought-provoking about the nature of what we're told, what we're not told and the inferences we draw.

Mike Dilger ☑️ 10mo ago

It's all over the place this thing. He talks about how Kissinger pissed off Assad, how suicide bombing got started. He talks about Russians all pretending Russia was ok when it was not. He talks about cyberspace and LSD in a very stupid way. It is entertaining, whether you learn some fact or whether you just laugh at the strange connection that Adam Curtis thinks he has made. And it comes from a confused left-wing revoluationary perspective. The cyberspace part is hilariously dumb.

Mike Dilger ☑️ 10mo ago

Weird. "Gaddafi promised that he would supply weapons to create a black army in America of 400,000 men. 'If white America refuses to accept blacks as US citizens` he told them, `it must therefore be destroyed.`"

I can't tell if this BBC presenter thinkgs blacks in America aren't citizens, or if Gaddafi thought that. Maybe they both did.

Black have been citizens in America since 1863. And from my personal experience with blacks from 1970-2005 when I lived in America, I saw far less mistreatment of blacks by whites than I did mistreatment of whites by blacks (the occasional street blacks, not the average blacks). So this whole recent woke black lives matter thing makes no sense to me. Blacks get jobs, they become actors, they get rich. They can get loans, buy houses, run companies. There is nothing holding them back.

And the dangerous thing of equivacating oppression of blacks in America with oppression of Palestinians in Palestine is that people will rightly disregard your concerns because they know you are lying about the former. Lefties gotta wake up to this.

freemymind 🇨🇭 10mo ago

The black lives matter movement is not built on individual mistreating other individuals.

It is rather on racist policeforces, that violate Black people physically with no legitimation. And when it comes to court it is very hard with one voice to defend against two police voices.

As I understand the protesters only want to change this. That there is better police education, on what action of a citizen legitimates what reaction of the police. Since there is many cases, where Policemen are not reacting. But acting. And this can not be the will of a freedom aiming country.

nbyte 10mo ago

"The black lives matter movement is not built on individual mistreating other individuals."

While there are cases of this police abuse happening, the so called movement where mobs burn stuff and riot and take over city streets is orchistrated by globalist elites with an agenda of replacing dedicated police with diversity hires. In the long game, they are removing the people who support the rule of law, and installing mindless leftist drones as police and authorities, as they have similarly done thorughout the US in academia, medical science, government services... the list goes on.

Try some reasoning. It might actually free your mind.

freemymind 🇨🇭 10mo ago

You believe some story that is told blindly. Give some proof of demonstrations, that were organized by your "globalist elite"

And Demonstrations are not riots. It is getting on the street and being vocal about a problem in society.

https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/demonstrations-political-violence-in-america-new-data-for-summer-2020/

"Over 10,100 of these — or nearly 95% — involve peaceful protesters. Fewer than 570 — or approximately 5% — involve demonstrators engaging in violence."

nbyte 10mo ago

"You believe some story that is told blindly"

I tend to be a little harsh in my comments for sure, but this is so funny, because nobody told me the 'story' I related. It is what I see happening. Orchistrated by agreeably a small number of actors. The police at publicised events were instructed to stand down to the point of allowing vandalism and arson. Politicians supported this, ranking officers and administrators enabled it, and the legacy media glorified it.

My reply was not really about you, rather a quip to contrast the well curated public narrative that prevails due to censorship and outright manipulation of the populace.

There is definately some police misconduct, and there is definately racism out there, but the 'movement' is an orchistrated, choreographed and curated evil.

My apologies for the quip in my response. fin.

Mike Dilger ☑️ 10mo ago

If you take any black person from America and drop them into Gaza and make them live in Gaza for a month, they will beg to go home. No rights, no right to have a lawyer, no government protecting you, military people bullying you, fucking you in the ass with sticks and the nearby Israeli population protesting for their right to fuck you in the ass with sticks, shooting kids in the head, starving you to death, all your buildings are rubble, the water is unclean, no humanitarian aid is allowed in most of the time. Every few years bombs are dropped for months killing another 5% of your people or so and you have to live in terror of that and live with the memories of all those dead family members and friends.