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The more I learn about animal husbandry the more I have to acknowledge that humans are and have been domesticating themselves. Which isn’t entirely as bad as it sounds, necessarily. But the repeated observation of multiple domesticated species is that they become more and more dependent on human interventions (antibiotics, deworming, artificial insemenation, fences, feed troughs, incubation or hand raising of offspring, interventions during birth to save the mother or offspring) Some of these are the unintended consequences of focused selective breeding for one feature at the exclusion of all others, but others are more insidious as the farmer is just trying to protect his bottom line here and there. And for the humans species I see the interventions all around us. We use antibiotics, we intervene during child birth to save the mother and child, we of course take medications for parasites, and many other ailments. We provide IVF and other amazing treatments. We live in cities we eat at restaurants instead of gathering the food or prepairing it. I do these things too, I believe at least one of my kids would be dead if we did not do these interventions. And if we needed to use IVF I wouldn’t hesitate, and all the other things and yet I can not help but clearly see that we are weakening our species genetic pool. And in time we will become more and more dependent on these interventions for more and more people. I don’t like the implications or the predicted outcomes.

#grownostr #genetics #evolution

Domestication is just a form of slavery. You aim to put your victim in the sweet spot of harvest: productive (or intelligent) enough to be useful but stupid enough to give the product (taxes) to you and not rebel.

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Sure, I understand this take on “domestication” but I meant it a bit more clinically. I don’t think this is how dogs were domesticated for example. Or in a small anarchical group of humans, where there is someone who you thought would be a friend but turned out to be a serious harm to you, you might banish them from the group to likely die without the protection and support of the group, this act “domesticated” humans by removing their genes from the gene pool and keeping someone more cooperative in the gene pool. Or a group of monkeys could do the same to anyone that gets too abusive within their group. We have been doing this for as long as the species has been able to decide who they will freely associate with. So yes I understand the use of domestication as a deliberate shaping of a “subspecies” for the benefit of another. But there is also a subtle domestication that is just apart of life and the voluntary actions of all. And it’s not just humans, any member of any species which fails their mating rituals is culled from the gene pool.