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If you have the Divine Council world view understanding of scripture, I have a thought exercise for you.

Are you ready? Let's start with after the Tower of Babel, when the Most High allotted the nations among the sons of God;

“When [El-yon] gave to the nations their inheritance,

when he divided mankind,

he fixed the borders of the peoples

according to the number of the sons of God [Bene Elohim].

But the Lord’s [YHWH] portion is his people,

Jacob his allotted heritage.”

- Deut 32:8–9

Those sons of God later rebelled,

and here is their judgement;

"God [Elohim] has taken his place in the divine council;

in the midst of the gods [Elohim] he holds judgment"

- Psalm 82:1

Then they were sentenced;

"I said, “You are gods [Elohim],

sons of the Most High [El-yon], all of you;

nevertheless, like men you shall die,

and fall like any prince.”

- Psalm 82:6–7

It’s a common modern view that YHWH and El-yon are the same being... But what if they’re not?

Deuteronomy says El-yon (the Most High) divided mankind according to the number of the sons of God (which works out to be around 70 going by The Table of Nations) and then YHWH.

So, all sons of God are said to have rebelled... except YHWH? What if YHWH isn’t who we think (or are lead to believe) he is?

In Revelation we see a scroll that no one can open...

"And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and break its seals?”

- Rev 5:2

But we see that Jesus is able to!

And one of the elders said to me, “Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.”

- Revelation 5:5

What if this scroll is the contract for humanity that only Jesus, through fulfilling YHWH’s laws, allows him the ability to reclaim mankind!

Note, before the final take down of the enemy (Satan/Devil), a 3rd temple is to be built and he will be seated in the temple declaring themselves God! (2 Thess 2:1-4)

Who demanded the 1st and 2nd temple?

Who told us that we’re now His temple?

Is there a pattern for who would then be in the 3rd?

There is also to be a great final deception though...

What greater deception than to have everyone, especially the Christians worshipping the WRONG God!

This is why it's so important that the discussion around who YHWH really is continues and that all the Bible believing Christians out there are able to be open minded to look at the scriptures/text, as it is, without any doctrine/dogma overshadowing it.

Let the text say what it says!

berean jones 1y ago

Bruh, you keep missing the point in monumental ways.

The point is that the nations had guardians who failed because they received the worship of their people instead of directing it to God. God's plan for redemption was to create a new nation, by calling Abraham out of 'Babylon', and establishing terms for a nation that worships God. They were to be a blue print for other nations and also an instrument of judgement when that nation's descent into idolatry was beyond redemption.

This was a holding pattern until Jesus came, through that nation, and rose up to redeem a people out of all the nations. It's genius and it rug pulls the old order, but it's one plan by one God.

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Caleb ☧ 1y ago

I noticed you’re literally providing additional commentary without addressing any of the textual points I made. Mind you completely changing the text - nowhere does it say “guardians”, while I supplied the exact Hebrew words that the text was translated from.

You didn’t supply any text/scripture references.

I’m well aware of the narrative.

I’m discussing what the text actually says.

There’s a big difference.

berean jones 1y ago

I was building on what you already provided. I'm working from memory on the go and I don't have an agenda.

The way you presented the biblical text was fine in the first half, but you took a jump in the second half and created distinctions which aren't there.

The temples in the old testament had a purpose while the people worshipped in keeping with the Torah. The temple culture became corrupt over time but at inception it was holy, both first and second. The glory of God overflowed it to show he was not contained by it, but still it was the place (the mercy seat on the ark of the covenant) where God met man on ground made holy by blood.

The temples were destroyed when the nation rejected God and turned to idols, just like the other nations were doing. First the presence left, then the infrastructure was destroyed. First temple by Nebuchadnezzar, (ironically king of Babylon... from where Abram was called out). The second temple by Rome, after Jesus presented his body (and by extension the church) as the new temple. The second temple was called "my father's house" by jesus who quoted a psalm about prayer for all nations. Jesus fulfilled Malachi by coming suddenly to his temple and not being recognised. But his vindication as the prophet of Deuteronomy was that he prophesied the temple's destruction as he displaced it. The nation rejected jesus and clung to the temple, that's when it became a target for divine demolition.

For that reason, the so-called third temple is out of sequence, it will be the base for antichrist and have nothing to do with the worship of God... but because the true Third Temple is already here, not because all three temples are evil (just the masonic rothschild one that will be raised up maybe in our lifetime).

That's what I mean by missing the point. You start with a good basis then make a hard turn and make distinctions that aren't there. You're trying to show that YHWH isn't the Father, and that he might actually be evil. This is luciferian doctrine and nothing new, but it is unusual to see someone presenting as a committed Christian arguing this line. I have replied three times now to your notes, challenging if you're heading down the right road with this false distinction or whether perhaps you're into blasphemy territory albeit with good intention. I'm not here to argue indefinitely, three times is sufficient.

God bless 😇