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I literally built relay software and run a decently sized public relay, so I am aware of the impact it would have. Especially on the memory hungry relay implementations that use pgsql.

As for spammers, that's inevitable. What matters is how you rate-limit the number of events they send.

And it would also mean paid relays being a more attractive solution. In fact, I wouldn't doubt if we eventually see nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s decide to turn the Damus relay into only being accessible by Purple subscribers in the future.

Most free relays won't be sustainable, without hard capping how many events they choose to handle, or if there's a non-profit willing to keep things operational.

unknown 1y ago

>As for spammers, that's inevitable. What matters is how you rate-

limit the number of events they send.

Yes but no. Every alternative to Nostr gives users Administrative controls. Nostr relays are basically a public notepad file that any person can write to as much as they want.

> And it would also mean paid relays being a more attractive solution

Paid relays are not a solution at all. Basically, Nostr will be so terrible that people will need to pay to have a good experience? That will hurt adoption.

If most free relays won't be sustainable, why would anyone choose Nostr over anything else? The Fediverse is thriving and growing and interacting across thousands of servers each day. Less Nostr relays = more centralization.

I didn't even get into the centralization of media uploads on Nostr yet and how the costs will sky rocket. That's another discussion.....kinda

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Luxas 1y ago

> The Fediverse is thriving and growing and interacting across thousands of servers each day.

But you said earlier they had a scaling issue. I know as I was there for it too. Same issue with Lemmy.

There are also instance Admins who accept donations or charge a small fee. That's the equivalent of paid Nostr relay.

We'll see where things lead. Only time will tell 🤙

unknown 1y ago

My point is that the relay software needs to improve now rather than later. Fedi can scale better than nostr now, their software is not as IO heavy either. Someone could even run a decent fediverse server on a Raspberry Pi with an SSD.

Luxas 1y ago

Absolutely, I think those refinements will come in time. AP has had a couple extra years to mature and with a lot more dev assistance. From what I've read, Nostr contributors still need to workout how to properly handle NIPs and a consensus on changes that doesn't break previous implementations. I'm hopeful, but not naive. I know this will take a long time to achieve any level of "overnight success". We'll learn from our mistakes along the way, and hopefully learn from others (AP, ATproto, etc) on what not to do.