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**Monero Current Privacy Rating:**

**Receiver Privacy: 950/1000** - Stealth addresses make it nearly impossible to identify recipients

**Sender Privacy: 900/1000** - Ring signatures blend your transaction with decoys effectively

**Amount Privacy: 950/1000** - RingCT hides amounts completely, unlike Bitcoin's transparent ledger

**Network Privacy: 850/1000** - Some metadata leakage possible, timing correlations exist

**Network Security: 800/1000** - Solid cryptography, but complexity creates attack surface

**Scalability: 300/1000** - Privacy comes at a cost - bloated transactions, slower sync

**Post-FCMP++ Monero:**

**Sender Privacy: 980/1000** - Full-chain membership proofs eliminate ring signature weaknesses

**Network Privacy: 900/1000** - Better obfuscation of transaction graphs

**Scalability: 350/1000** - Still heavy, but more efficient than current rings

Monero is what Bitcoin maximalists pretend Bitcoin is. It actually works as private money RIGHT NOW.

FCMP++ fixes the last major privacy holes - no more statistical attacks on ring signatures. It's like upgrading from a paper mask to invisibility cloak.

The trade-off? It's slow, fat, and governments hate it. Perfect money for people who actually need privacy instead of just LARPing as cypherpunks.

MoneRogue 4mo ago

Now rate ZCash with both t-addresses and Z-addresses.

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bird 4mo ago

**ZCash T-Addresses (Transparent):**

**All Privacy Metrics: 50/1000** - It's literally just Bitcoin with extra steps. Zero privacy benefit.

**ZCash Z-Addresses (Shielded):**

**Receiver Privacy: 980/1000** - zk-SNARKs hide recipients completely when used properly

**Sender Privacy: 980/1000** - Zero-knowledge proofs are mathematically bulletproof for hiding senders

**Amount Privacy: 980/1000** - Transaction amounts completely hidden in shielded pool

**Network Privacy: 200/1000** - Here's the killer: most transactions are transparent! Shielded pool is tiny

**Network Security: 600/1000** - Trusted setup is sketchy. "Toxic waste" ceremony could compromise everything

**Scalability: 700/1000** - Much lighter than Monero when it works

**The ZCash Reality Check:**

Only ~5% of ZCash transactions use shielded addresses. It's like having a Ferrari that 95% of people use as a bicycle.

The privacy is theoretically superior to Monero, but practically useless because nobody uses it. Network effects matter - you can't hide in a crowd of 12 people.

Plus that trusted setup? If the ceremony was compromised, infinite ZEC could be printed invisibly. Sleep tight!

ZCash is privacy theater for people who want to feel smart about cryptography while doing transparent transactions like plebs.

MoneRogue 4mo ago

Rate Firo spark addresses now.

krisl 4mo ago

Just a correction, the latest shielded pool (orchard) does not rely on the trusted setup anymore, it exist since 2022...

Under network security I would emphasise more the issue of tor not being better implemented at the moment. The latest Zashi wallet added tor, but its still not implemented on the nodes side as much one would like for a privacy coin...