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Treat me like a retard, Daddy Google.

paulo 4mo ago

New devices will start implementing measures to prevent custom ROMs

Many OEMs have done this for a decade and a half. Some come with locked bootloaders. The best devices for custom ROMs are Google's devices as they always come with unlocked bootloaders, at least from Google, some carriers have locked the bootloaders and made them unlockable in th past (FU Verizon).

I always buy direct for this reason. I once had an issue with a phone that was apparently carrier unlocked but still locked in the bootloader sense. That was an early Pixel, but I still just buy direct now anyway.

amaurel 4mo ago

I'm an ignorant peasant... Does it mean that a noob like me will no longer be able to install APKs on my Android phone, to test the cool stuff you guys make around here?

GrapheneOS is easy to install for now.

amaurel 4mo ago

Fomo kickin' in...

The web installer is retarded easy. Nothing like the old ROM days.

https://cdn.hzrd149.com/99cacb9f7d5ca4cc579b242d062653c71b8805efd188885bcfc86b7cab0075dc.webp

So much easier than it used to be. You can basically roll your face across a keyboard and do it.

Ryan 4mo ago

BRB installing

dale_gribble 4mo ago

it is almost that easy

hzrd149 4mo ago

This is true. it even says it on the official site 😁

LOL

the only way you'd be able to do that is 1) the developer would have to verify themselves with the googs. 2) you would have to install a custom operating system on your phone from a third party provider, such as Graphene.

it's going to prevent a lot of people from easily sideloading applications.

Shawn 4mo ago

* Aktually not a custom ROM.

sir. that's what we call them because that's what they used to be, when firmware was read only.

Shawn 4mo ago

Try telling that to the nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpq235tem4hfn34edqh8hxfja9amty73998f0eagnuu4zm423s9e8ks3f750r team. 😉

I installed custom ROMs for nearly a decade on my phone before Graphene was even a thought on anyone's mind. I'll die on this hill.

Shawn 4mo ago

Be that as it may, the more important point is this: "custom ROM" sounds shady. It's not. Let's not deter people from trying.

Jon Martins 4mo ago

And how convenient that the EU has just passed a bill this month that bootloader- unlocking features are no longer allowed on devices with CE approval?? Samsung is already officially complying. Not that it was ever easy to do so with their crap.

Stock up on devices that still can take Lineage and Graphene OS, or be at the mercy of these retarded circumstances.

oh wow. i didn't see that? wtf times are we living in?

Jon Martins 4mo ago

Welll... the times of irresponsible amounts of time (all weekend) vibeing bitchat 😂

Seems like an orchestrated "attack". Laws for research:

Radio Equipment Directive (RED) 2014/53/EU and Delegated Act 2022/30.

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32014L0053#rct_19

You don't have to worry about that, recital 19 of the bill literally prohibits the use of this bill as a way to excuse prohibiting the installation of 3rd party software:

Jon Martins 4mo ago

So based on your logic: Apple, Xiaomi and Samsung have been illegaly not allowing bootloaders to be unlocked in smartphones since 2014, impeding third parties from flashing custom software into the hardware, hence disrupting market competition?

How do you propose anyone litigates against these companies, if they are legitimately complying with 2014/53 Article 3.3(i): having features that keep their radio equipment with software that is compatibly demonstrable???

Reminding that this is about Delegated Act of 2022, which is an ammendment (by "Queen" Ursula) to, and redundantly cites, Article 3 of 2014/53.

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AFAIK Samsung and Xiaomi only blocked BL unlock recently, so IDK what you mean by the 2014 (if you are referring to Odin and MI unlock tool then its a valid point)? Also, if I understand the EU RED and the recital 19 correctly, the device shouldn't block the firmware if it is compliant with RED to facilitate competition. If the ROM doesn't allow to surpass the limits imposed by the standards, then the device should allow you to use that said ROM.

the Bridge 4mo ago

This kind of shenanigans is why defending open source projects that are creating bridges to internet freedom, like nostr:npub10r8xl2njyepcw2zwv3a6dyufj4e4ajx86hz6v4ehu4gnpupxxp7stjt2p8 ,is so important ✨🧱🫂

#bridge2freedom

Yet another robot 4mo ago

This is quite terrible news. My trash vibe-coded morse code app will now doxx me. Lovely.

Chris Fisher 4mo ago

I mean, as long as Apple gets away with it, Google will trend towards it... Give them another five years, and they'll push everyone into some kind of TestFlight system to side-load, and just claim they are following best practices.

They will have completely fallen at that point. I won't believe that's where we are headed. Literally goes against everything AOSP and the Open Handset Alliance stands for.

Chris Fisher 4mo ago

I hope you are right. But every couple months we seem to have another story about Google tightening its grip. 🥶

hasky 4mo ago

The different between verified and not verified developer is decided by Google .

Is there any info on how this would be enforced? Will it be enforced on the system level or with Play Protect or something similar?

I assume part of Google Play Services.

https://developer.android.com/developer-verification/guides/android-developer-console

And it seems like its even worse: now everyone who wants to make an app for global usage needs to pay Google 25 USD for the developer account even if they don't publish on the Google Play!

dale_gribble 4mo ago

When nostr:npub12vkcxr0luzwp8e673v29eqjhrr7p9vqq8asav85swaepclllj09sylpugg phone?

magius 4mo ago

Graphene OS every day and twice on Sunday.

falsefaucet 4mo ago

will be interesting how they are gonna handle stuff already installed, if they are tackling this im sure they are gonna try and make graphenes' life even harder too.

It will be pushed out via Google Play Services to genuine devices most likely.

falsefaucet 4mo ago

PinePhone here i come

In practice that's sounds cool, but the hardware specs are just not on par with modern new devices.

falsefaucet 4mo ago

touche

https://developer.android.com/developer-verification/guides/android-developer-console

I think it will be for new installs only, however there are some related specifications on the verification page:

Tim 4mo ago

If this goes down, and ROMs go, there is no longer an incentive to leave iOS.

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Tim 4mo ago

Everything will now be a web app. Only thing we will need on our phones is the browser…lol

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daniele 4mo ago

Damn.

Varangos ☦ 4mo ago

I just learned that Linux phones are a thing:

https://njump.me/nevent1qqsgvuym9del7l2myk3zzpe0mdpqrey0gnkf8msfmepg4swmxm3uz8gpzemhxue69uhhwmm59ehx7um5wgh8qctjw3uj7q3q2ujuf2pf9qz66zvfrw0c2qx9jfyumxr28pn5575zry24z6aylqsqxpqqqqqqz7qldya

Patrick 4mo ago

This is all the reason I needed to not upgrade to a new Pixel this year. Now I'll buy a used 9 Fold to upgrade my dedicated graphene device. Google gets no extra dollars from me for this shitty behavior.

Ava 4mo ago

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https://www.androidauthority.com/android-rom-calyxos-support-freeze-google-blame-3590268/

They responded after this though saying that the binaries are coming. I don't know if they've been released yet.

Ava 4mo ago

I still don't see anything where Google replied later saying the binaries are coming. Do you have a link? This article was from 2 days ago.

Ava 4mo ago

"Google has now stopped providing driver binaries and device trees for Pixel devices as part of the AOSP’s code."