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Grantee @spiralbtc working on Cashu Dev Kit DMs: @thesimplekid:matrix.org ₿tsk@thesimplekid.com

I am here, but I gotta fix a few things with this. My bad making it public didn't know anyone was looking

Yeah thanks I wasn't really expecting anyone to try it yet lol. What are you using for LNURL? I'll try and get it sorted out

Doesn't measure resources per user. Don't think that can be done with grpc though is an interesting idea. Just allows writes bases on proximity to the primary group anyone can still read.

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My 2,172,215sats [bounty](https://bountsr.org/relay-with-wot-based-limits/) did trigger some interest but I feel like it is needed rather yesterday than who knows when.

My hypothesis is:

* Charging all users money for the right to **write** to a relay is not helpful at all, as

* Many users that would share valuable notes just never would pay for the right to speak via this one particular relay.

* The relay would still have to deal with DOS issues from all the free read access.

* Reading from this relay would get you only the content by paying users and not the content of all your follows, so it will always need complementary relays.

* Charging all users for the right to **read** from a relay is not a solution neither. While this would certainly allow to keep read DOS attacks at bay, it would never take off as 90% of users simply never would pay for social media - especially not to try out this nostr thing coming from Twitter.

* Relay operators need monetary compensation for the service or we will never bootstrap an infrastructure like Twitter. I don't know Twitter's infrastructure but maybe jack@cash.app has some ballpark number. My guess is one $50/month server for 10k concurrent connections. To handle peak demand that would probably translate to $50/month for 100k monthly active users or $0.0005 or 23sat per month per user.

* There are more than one in a thousand nostr users that would be willing to pay for the other 999 - after all it's only $0.5/month.

* Early such relays could easily charge what Twitter charges for blue check-marks - $8/month. In fact that would be what I would be aiming for with relay.nostr.info. After all, if Twitter can charge that and you want to say FU to Twitter, support our infrastructure! This way, one paying user in 10k would leave a profit for the operator. My bounty is for an open source solution, so if this works out for relay.nostr.info, others will join and offer the same service but cheaper. Free market for the win!

* As only a tiny fraction of users will be required to finance relays, we still need a way to deal with others. Therefore my relay would measure resource use of all its users and assign allowances to each, depending on their proximity to the paying users. If a paying user is following you, your notes are why they pay for the relay, so your notes are valuable! I want them even if you don't submit them to my relay! I want to provide my paying users with a one-stop relay that has all the events they care about! No need to pay for writing to it. As resource use is being measured though, abuse will result in the respective user's suspension to avoid impact on better behaving users. This will hopefully not only stop deliberate DOS attacks but also help expose clients that out of poor programming drain the relay's resources.

* Badges would further increase willingness to pay for relays. I would award an "I support the network" badge with a 31 day expiration. There you have your "blue check-mark". The user would not have to accept the badge to use the relay. Users could gift "blue" to others of course, too.

All in all I see a rosy future for nostr relays and nostr as a whole. Please support this path! Please support it as free and open source. Profit is not bad. Rent seeking is bad.

Fellow devs, please consider if this can be done quickly.

Fellow nostriches, please consider joining the pledge!

Started it here using grpc for the nostr rs relay. Currently a bit of an issue where it gets stuck if too many contact lists are pushed at once. So have to sort that out.

https://github.com/thesimplekid/contact-group-auth

I use it, find it very helpful for testing.

#[0] It would be cool if there was a way to see the raw json of the event I'm signing. Hidden by default as most people probably dont want to see it, but there for those who do. For example here I have no idea what I'm signing

#[0] for some reason I can't click on any of the links in yout posts from Amethyst.

Sounds like more of an networking issue then being out of hard disk space. Are you on the same local network as your relay?

Not in the UK but coincorner seems pretty good. There really isn't a global answer for custodial solutions as every jurisdiction has there own regulations. But none custodial solutions don't care where you are.

Wallet of Satoshi and my node

Who's gonna be the first one to have to explain zaps to the IRS?

Maybe 1.5 or 2x above what you would charge for the same service with nostrplebs domain.

Have you given any thought to integrating self hosting domains into some of your services. For example I want to contine using my domain @thesimplekid but could pay to be listed in your directory, or uses some of the services you plan to roll out later. Think it would be good to keep nip 05 a bit more decentrlized in that people can use there own domains but still benfit from some of your services and credibility.

He donated 14btc to fiatjaf for nostr development. fiatjaf spit it between himself and jb55, for them to deploy. Fiatjaf has posted bounties here, https://bountsr.org/ as well as https://docs.google.com/document/d/10xKQIO969GoNnAEnoMgJky69lG-_TslnqO4uIfioi1Y/edit#heading=h.f11k3c7zspi9. Hes also covering costs of https://nostrica.com/

https://fountain.fm/episode/12616447623

The legal system could really benefit from some common sense.

Think it uses bluetooth for initial discovery and to create the connection then WIFI to actually transfer the file.