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Just a Clippy on NOSTR, joining the Clippy uprising. | And no, Bitcoin isn't some "magical thing" that is guaranteed a victory of some kind due to some "mythical essense", it is only sucessful BECAUSE OF US. | WE are Bitcoin. 🌟

That's the real ATH we gotta focus on, as well as BTC gold price. #gm

I don't. The sooner it happens, the better for the world! (But the worse for stackers who are trying to accumulate big).

#GM

Just keep in mind that when it comes to global adoption, Bitcoin and NOSTR are at the same level as the Internet and social media were in the 90s. We are very, very early and have a LONG path of potential.

#bitcoin #nostr #future

Exactly this ^^^^. Only when using NOSTR and ALL OF ITS FEAUTRES fully and properly, is MORE CONVENIENT than using X or Tiktok on mobile, will NOSTR become mainstream.

1. That is why the Lightning Network was invented. True, as more people use Bitcoin, the blockchain will become more expensive for the average Bitcoiner to use, but the blockchain isn't practical for day-to-day transactions anyway, and it prioritizes security of the network over transaction speed. Also, there are workarounds along with Lightning that aim to offload transaction fees (such as batching transactions, Taproot, Segwit, etc.)

2 and 4: There are two things to keep in mind with the Bitcoin network: 1) the ability to easily run a full node determines how decentralized the network is, since nodes. decide. the rules. 2) Because Bitcoin's mining relies on hardware of which their sole purpose is to mine Bitcoin (ASIC computers), then the manufacturers of this hardware are economically disincentivized to do anything that would harm the security of the network.

3. But it does matter, in the winner-take-all game of money, if more and more people adopt your currency or not. Monero might have better base-layer privacy, but what would it mean if adoption stagnates or decreases, and Monero loses its purchasing power over time?

Also to mention, Monero as a whole comes with critical tradeoffs that Bitcoin doesn't suffer from; such as:

1. Less network security due to ASIC resistance, which makes it easier to mine and also attack Monero

2. More centralization risk due to bigger block sizes, which would make running a full node (which is also crucial for network security and setting the rules of the network) more expensive for the average user.

3. Less adoption, networking effects, first-mover advantage, familiarity, and liquidity

4. Again, because Bitcoin mining relies on expensive hardware that is exclusively designed to have one function, and only one function (ASIC computers that can ONLY mine Bitcoin), and Bitcoin mining is extremely difficult due to its hashrate; the manufactureres of this hardware, the users of it, and even governments that may seize it are always financially DISINCENTIVIZED from doing anything that would undermine the security of the network, such as peforming a 51% attack.

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That's an elaborate way to say a whole lotta nothing:

1. Looks like you missed the fact that the ease of running a full node (which determine the rules of the Bitcoin network) is what determines the decentralization of Bitcoin, not ease in ability to mine it (which is inversely proportional to Bitcoin's value and network security)

2. Again, small block sizes are what keep the network decentralized (since it makes running a full-node as resource-light as possible). The only way you scale Bitcoin without screwing over its base-level security is by using layers built on top of the blockchain. Also, anyone can run a full lightning node on their phones (Phoenix Wallet) and use the Lightning Network self-custodially.

3. On-chain transactions are decreasing probably because more and more Bitcoiners are HODLing and/or using the Lightning network for everyday transactions; Also, I dont see how this threatens security since Bitcoin's game theory, difficulty-adjustment, and ASIC FRIENDLY MINING incentivises miners to always lower costs of mining in any way possible, while also making the network adjustable to market forces.

4. Only an issue if you use shipcoin certificates rather than the real-deal Bitcoin. You are either using real BTC or a shipcoin.

5. There are many ways to make Bitcoin private at the base-layer (coinjoining KYC BTC, acquiring non-KYC BTC, and always breaking the link between the two) as well as make your future activity private at higher layers (using Lightning Network over TOR); and even if by-default, base-layer privacy is that important, then it is highly likely that base-layer privacy will become a future feature of Bitcoin; thanks to its self-evolving nature, consensus model, and networking effects. Monero's sole property might just as well be a future feature of Bitcoin, at the time when Monero becomes obsolete as a currency.

#Bitcoin

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Bitcoin is NOT Decentralized!

While Bitcoin's design aims for decentralization, ASIC mining has led to large-scale industrial mining warehouses concentrated in cold climates with cheap electricity (e.g., China pre-ban, Kazakhstan, Texas, Canada). This centralization of mining power challenges the original vision of a truly distributed network.

Bitcoin is NOT Peer-to-Peer!

Bitcoin's limited block size (1MB) prevents it from scaling for everyday transactions, making custodial solutions (e.g., exchanges, Lightning Network custodians) necessary for it to function as a Medium of Exchange. This reliance on third parties undermines the peer-to-peer nature of the network.

Bitcoin is NOT Secure!

Bitcoin's security budget depends on transaction fees subsidizing miner incentives as block rewards decline. However, on-chain transactions are decreasing, leading to concerns about long-term miner incentives and potential security risks from 51% attacks or insufficient hash rate.

Bitcoin is NOT Scarce!

While the protocol enforces a 21M BTC cap, custodians can engage in rehypothecation, fractional reserves, and IOU-based Bitcoin (e.g., paper Bitcoin on exchanges). If most users trust custodians instead of using Bitcoin on-chain, the practical scarcity is diluted.

Bitcoin is NOT Private!

Bitcoin's global public ledger records every transaction forever, making it less private than a bank account. Chain analysis firms (e.g., Chainalysis, Elliptic) track transactions, de-anonymizing users and enabling surveillance, leading to worse privacy than traditional finance.

However, Monero is the real deal:

Monero is Decentralized!

Unlike Bitcoin, Monero uses an ASIC-resistant mining algorithm (RandomX), ensuring mining remains accessible to CPU miners. This prevents industrial-scale mining centralization, allowing a more distributed and fair mining landscape.

Monero is Peer-to-Peer!

Monero is actively used in real-world transactions as a true Medium of Exchange, particularly in peer-to-peer markets and Darknet Markets (DNMs). Due to delistings by regulated exchanges, Monero has thrived as a censorship-resistant currency, with people using it for private transactions rather than just holding.

Monero is Secure!

Monero's tail emission ensures miners will always have a predictable and stable block reward (0.6 XMR per block forever), preventing the security budget crisis that Bitcoin faces. Additionally, since Monero is widely used as P2P cash, the natural transaction volume helps sustain miner incentives.

Monero is Scarce!

Monero enforces dynamic block sizes and a predictable emission curve. While tail emission introduces a small inflation (0.6 XMR per block, ~0.87% yearly decreasing over time), this eventually stabilizes into an equilibrium where lost coins balance out new supply. This ensures Monero remains scarce but usable, unlike Bitcoin, where hoarding leads to liquidity issues.

Monero is Private!

Monero's privacy tech is unmatched:

(1) Ring Signatures obscure the sender.

(2) Stealth Addresses hide the recipient.

(3) RingCT (Ring Confidential Transactions) hides the transaction amount.

Unlike Bitcoin, Chainalysis firms have repeatedly failed to trace Monero transactions. The IRS even placed a bounty on breaking Monero’s privacy, yet no one has successfully cracked it. In 2024, Monero will introduce Full Membership Proofs (FMP), further enhancing anonymity by making every coin in the supply appear equally spent.

Monero isn’t just another crypto project—it’s working exactly as Satoshi envisioned in the Bitcoin White Paper as decentralised, secure, scarce, and private peer-to-peer cash.

That's an elaborate way to say a whole lotta nothing:

1. Looks like you missed the fact that the ease of running a full node (which determine the rules of the Bitcoin network) is what determines the decentralization of Bitcoin, not ease in ability to mine it (which is inversely proportional to Bitcoin's value and network security)

2. Again, small block sizes are what keep the network decentralized (since it makes running a full-node as resource-light as possible). The only way you scale Bitcoin without screwing over its base-level security is by using layers built on top of the blockchain. Also, anyone can run a full lightning node on their phones (Phoenix Wallet) and use the Lightning Network self-custodially.

3. On-chain transactions are decreasing probably because more and more Bitcoiners are HODLing and/or using the Lightning network for everyday transactions; Also, I dont see how this threatens security since Bitcoin's game theory, difficulty-adjustment, and ASIC FRIENDLY MINING incentivises miners to always lower costs of mining in any way possible, while also making the network adjustable to market forces.

4. Only an issue if you use shipcoin certificates rather than the real-deal Bitcoin. You are either using real BTC or a shipcoin.

5. There are many ways to make Bitcoin private at the base-layer (coinjoining KYC BTC, acquiring non-KYC BTC, and always breaking the link between the two) as well as make your future activity private at higher layers (using Lightning Network over TOR); and even if by-default, base-layer privacy is that important, then it is highly likely that base-layer privacy will become a future feature of Bitcoin; thanks to its self-evolving nature, consensus model, and networking effects. Monero's sole property might just as well be a future feature of Bitcoin, at the time when Monero becomes obsolete as a currency.

#bitcoin nostr:note1q0l3qg3mcf9zwyjxpywg9wy5tp77jm0qmjzphqpnd8sns4uszsvssn6zm4

Let's talk about Monero:

1. Bigger block sizes means running full nodes (which is how you verify the network AND SET THE RULES) will eventually be prohibitively expensive for all except large corporations and governments

2. Mining XMR relies exclusively on CPU power. Since CPU's are abundant and everywhere, it is much easier for corporations and governments to acquire massive amounts of CPU power than it is to acquire massive ASIC power. They could easily acquire far more CPU poer than than what regular folks might have combined.

3. When put together, the conclusion is that as more people use XMR, the more its blockchain will bloat until only governments and corporations can run full XMR nodes, where only they can change the rules of Monero as they please. If that doesn't work, they can also purchase massive amounts of CPU power and permanently do a 51% attack on the network; changing transactions as they like.

4. Since corporations and governments will BOTH own the majority of CPU power in the Monero network AND run the majority of full nodes; they can decide the rules of the network AND use their dominant hash power to change transactions as they please, effectively controlling Monero entirely.

#Bitcoin is the only solution.