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Glad we've cleared that up. I'm surprised you aren't on Ethereum with all those use cases.

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Once you figure out what Bitcoin is, let us know.

Can you be more specific? What is it then if it is only partially money? Does this thing have a name?

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So what is your final answer to 3 on what Bitcoin is?

So far you have said :

It is money

It's money and much more

Perfect system FOR money (therefore NOT money?)

Just so for me to be clear on where YOU stand and be sure there is no confusion.

I'm not talking about technical semantics of a single token. Hell, you may as well call it all 1s and 0s. I am talking Bitcoin as a whole.

Thanks for your honesty.

So you agree Satoshi created a digital money but you personally believe it isn't money.

That's fine and we can have diffences of opinions.

So, in your opinion , Bitcoin is a network with a base currency, called Bitcoin that some delusional people think and use as money. That makes total sense.

Please be specific. We agreed what money is. Based on that:

2. Was Bitcoin created and intended to be used as money according to the white paper?

3. Do You believe Bitcoin (not single parts of it) as a whole is money?

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yes

Great.

2. Can you confirm what is Bitcoin according to the white paper? Did Satoshi create digital money or something else?

3. And finally, what is Bitcoin in YOUR opinion?

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It wasn't a trick question. Is this what money is?

Money is a medium of exchange that facilitates transactions for goods and services. It serves several key functions:

Medium of Exchange: Money is used to buy and sell goods and services, eliminating the inefficiencies of barter systems where goods are exchanged directly.

Unit of Account: Money provides a standard measure of value, allowing individuals and businesses to compare the worth of different items easily.

Store of Value: Money can be saved and retrieved in the future, maintaining its value over time, which allows individuals to defer consumption.

Standard of Deferred Payment: Money is used to settle debts and obligations, making it easier to conduct transactions over time.

Money can take various forms, including physical currency (coins and banknotes), digital currency (like cryptocurrencies), and bank deposits. Its value is often derived from the trust and confidence that people have in the issuing authority, such as a government or central bank.

"The first principles approach is a problem-solving method that involves breaking down complex issues into their most basic and fundamental parts, allowing for innovative solutions without relying on existing assumptions or conventions. This technique encourages questioning every assumption and reconstructing ideas from the ground up, often leading to unique insights and breakthroughs."

The Core apologists will not agree on what money is as shown by Ocean Slim from the start - so we have no starting point to any discussion. Starting at first principles is an honest way to analyse something and removes illogical fallacies from discussions - obviously those with intent to decieve don't want to do that.

The clue is in the white paper, first line. You can deny reality all you like, even deny that the position of core hasn't changed and try to use technical arguments, to say Bitcoin isn't what Satoshi created and named. Like many of the technical arguments, I agree fees are one way to stop spam, but not the only one Satoshi advocated- you probably also deny that too.

As mentioned before, this has all been discussed before and if you can't agree on first principles, then there is no point in discussing further as you aren't capable to discuss this.

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