If you’re going to talk “state of nature” you cannot ignore Locke and Rousseau among Hobbes

Hobbes, Locke, and Rousseau represent the three distinct possibilities that the State of Nature could have resulted in theoretically

Those tribal councils and chiefdoms populations were a majority of humanity until ~1500 AD.

The Statist status quo has been dominant for roughly 0.25% of Homo Sapien's history as a species.

Looking at the ever-increasing centralisation, fragility and enshitification of the world, I'm not bullish on Statism. Previous episodes of Statism have led to collapse, and reemergence of decentralised self-governance.

What would happen if everyone stopped paying taxes?

Is this not sufficient? Couldn’t people work together to fix their own problems then? Because if you accept the premise that the constitution is just a piece of paper with no real power, then all we really have left is a group of individuals acting.

Instead of this strange example you gave where a government is overthrown, let’s try another scenario. What would happen in this same “country” if all the people stopped paying taxes?

War between who?

I didn’t suggest anything. You made up this weird scenario where a government overthrows another government and just leaves. As if a government would make a selfless act like that lol

Whether another parasite takes its place doesn’t make it right. The question is, do you think people are capable of ruling themselves and fixing their own problems without having a slave master?

Yes, it’s a collaboration.

Then the piece of paper is irrelevant. The people choose to act this way.

This new peace you’re suggesting we enforce is an oxymoron. Using theft and violence to enforce “peace” is not peace at all.

Removing the leader doesn’t make all the other government institutions disappear.

The constitution is a piece of paper with ink on it and it isn’t even doing what it claims to do. Because it’s a piece of paper and can’t do anything. This is equivalent to saying we need to replace an idol with something else. It won’t fix anything but you insist that it needs to be replaced with something.

I am still not hearing what the solution that replaces the existing “constitution”.

This sounds like an over simplification, but I think we understand each other.

No there won’t be. But the solution is not violent government.

When you remove a parasite from your body, what do you replace it with?

I am not leading you to a conclusion, I am questioning what’s coming into fill the vacuum?

Are you saying that we can’t live in peace so we might as well give permission to psychopaths to enslave us? I’m not sure what conclusion you’re leading me toward.

Not sure the relevance but we’ve never seen more senseless war than under the current political system

There’s definitely tribal systems still existing.

What is the point of these quotes?

It used to be small tribes that were usually closely related. They’d hunt and gather together.

The point is that these systems have changed over time. Just because you can’t imagine what it would be like to be free, doesn’t mean it isn’t possible. Just like your tribal ancestors could never imagine the power dynamics of the world today.