"The life of man [is] solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short." - Hobbes’ Leviathan

Thomas Hobbes: “During the time men live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that condition which is called war; and such a war as is of every man against every man.”

You tell me 🙂

Monarchies – Many ancient civilizations, like Egypt and Babylon, were ruled by kings or emperors who held absolute power, often justified by divine right or heredity.

Oligarchies – In places like Sparta, a small group of elites controlled decision-making, often based on military prowess, wealth, or aristocracy.

Tribal Councils & Chiefdoms – In indigenous and early human societies, governance was often decentralized, with decisions made collectively by elders or a chief.

Theocratic Rule – Some societies, like early Mesopotamian city-states, were ruled by religious leaders or priest-kings, where laws were believed to be divinely ordained.

Imperial Bureaucracies – Empires like China and Persia developed large, hierarchical systems where administration was handled by appointed officials rather than citizen participation.

Direct Rule by Force – In some cases, leaders seized power through conquest or intimidation, rather than a structured political system.

What’s the model system we can look at as an example that actually functions at the scale of a country?

Yeah I agree with that. But I am trying to picture what that vacuum looks like.

So before voting… there were monarchies?

There will still be these people running around looking to control other people. Removing voting doesn’t change that?

I substituted “psychopaths” for “masters” because you didn’t like “masters”

No I am asking: why wouldn’t there be psychopaths?

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It’s a serious question. So the US system has voting, so not that… what’s the model system we’re actually proposing here? Are we talking Russia? China? Something else?

The psychopaths will still try to be psychopaths.

What’s the alternative?

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The masters would still give it the college try, no?

Why is that?

At the same time, you’re also not powerless either.

So zero. Politics follow you.

Seriously. What kind of insider news do you have to hear in order for you to say “all in”.

If I am selling my vote, what’s your best offer?

Why do I have a strange feeling you are a Canadian bot?