Nostr Web Client

brugeman

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Building https://npub.pro https://nsec.app and https://nostr.band Create beautiful nostr-based websites with Npub.pro

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Astral does a far better job of actually displaying the profile info of accounts and pretty much all events. The other clients, while quicker to load, often don't show the profile info or are missing events. Personally the only thing I'd like Astral to include is likes.

brugeman 3y ago

Use single-click tips for that :)

Trending would be a great API for clients to have a more curated version of the global feed!

brugeman 3y ago

Agreed, will think on that.

This is awesome, and just what is needed to filter out the chaos of the global feed. Is there an API endpoint for this?

brugeman 3y ago

There is no public API, which one would you like to have? Search, or trending, anything else? I'm trying to add keyword search into nostr protocol itself atm, so maybe this part will be available soon.

Please, check it out.

I want this to clearly be a load control mechanism. Therefore I want to be less restrictive when load is low. For example, connections and query executions should be completely unbound for the only connected client regardless of authentication but when running at 90% of any resource, relay should drop oldest non-authed users and reject non-authed users.

brugeman 3y ago

Replied, please take a look: https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/pull/141#issuecomment-1382873709

This is so awesome! Btw just a heads up, you accidentally included a comma in your url "https://sb.nostr.band,"

brugeman 3y ago

Thanks! Astral renders it fine, so it's your client misinterpreting my link :)

Referral spam can also be annoying, with lots of plebs falling for it until they learn not to do it. Often referral spam is done because people genuinely like a product. And then there is the stupid chain mail stuff - help this kid in need by re-sharing this sob story ...

brugeman 3y ago

Agree, although I feel muting those on the client is a bit simpler basis because you could just add most of that stuff into some word stop list.

Mike Dilger ☑️

I remember the Hello Nostr thing that people were talking about but I didn't happen to see any. But it also might have been a very busy week for me offline.

I was hoping to subscribe to a service like you might do with a pihole that blocks ads, or an email provider that blocks spam. One that maintains a good reputation for being limited in their scope, who doesn't block political content they disagree with. Should such a service arise and suggest a protocol, I'll plug gossip into it.

brugeman 3y ago

https://nostr.band/?q=Hello+nostr&p=30

I have several things in mind that you might like, will get back to you when I launch the next one :)

Very cool work.

brugeman 3y ago

Thanks! Please let me know if you have any feedback or suggestions.

Nostr definitely has a spam problem. When I was gathering events for the Nostrum Search database, out of ~2.5 million events about 1.2 million were pure spam that had to be filtered out (mostly notes that didn't use any of canonical note "kinds"). I'm sure these issues will be tackled over time, but I agree that a pay-to-play LN solution is probably the best one.

brugeman 3y ago

Agreed. Although non-canonical kinds is just people experimenting with other uses of the protocol - irrelevant kinds don't influence the popular nostr clients focused on kind:1 posts. It might be a problem for relays, but then they could just ban useless kinds, so it's not a big issue.

Mike Dilger ☑️

I have yet to see a single spam message. The relay operators must be doing a good job, or the spammers must be incompetent (Maybe that's because I don't browse general messages anywhere and am only introduced to new people if they are in a thread with someone I already follow. #[7] says most didn't use the canonical note "kinds" - I would never see such).

brugeman 3y ago

A couple weeks ago someone was sending Hello Nostr from new empty accounts every second, so global feed was useless. Every message contained some POW even. It wasn't really malicious though - it didn't try to send to every single relay, didn't change the content, and didn't send 100x as much. So a couple relays were banned by clients, and "Hello Nostr :)" was blacklisted, and then the spammer turned it off.

Then there was a guy who was thrashing another one by answering to random threads from several accounts, and no one had any good idea of how to fight that.

The only reason you don't see that every single day is because no one is doing it atm. It's just a question of time until nostr annoys someone and it comes back.

This but:

* To charge each user 8ct/month is overkill. The hassle of paying is more expensive than 8ct.

* Usually 1% of the users is fine with paying way more than others. Charge these users $8/month.

* They pay for all their follows.

brugeman 3y ago

I agree, until paying 8ct is seamless to every user and is hassle free, the approach you describe is what I plan to start with too.

Thanks I’ll have to take a look. Although algorithmic solutions are good until bad actors figure out how to use the algo to their advantage (brigading/engagement farming etc). Reddits up/down vote concept is nice within the context of subs I like and want the better content moved to the top, but on the global feed, it’s merely the popular stance of those viewing that content and therefore discourse is hard because you can get downvoted to death even with a valid question/point. There is no good answer so I appreciate the effort to start somewhere!

brugeman 3y ago

Thank you for your detailed perspective.

I believe a general robust 'show me popular content' solution is TrustRank, similar to PageRank that Google successfully uses for the decades-old open ecosystem, which is Web.

If you add your following list, then you could get 'popular content people I follow engaged with', which is kinda what Twitter does.

With regards to a genuine question being downvoted by the crowd - that seems hard, need to think on that.

brugeman 3y ago

When people talk about spam, they generally mean 2 things: high-volume cheap spam from lots of empty accounts, or a low-volume aggressive marketing from well funded non-empty accounts. The first one (it's DoS essentially) can only be properly prevented by LN paywall. The second one (let's just call it 'noise') - can be prevented by reputation filters, of which I believe TrustRank to be the proper one.

We could use TrustRank even now to filter the first type of spam (I do at nostr.band), but then new people joining nostr would not become visible in a global feed without getting some friends to follow and interact with them (without gaining some reputation). LN is better because it filters out high-volume spammers without hurting the normal noobs.

Yeah, it’s been both refreshing to just see data as it comes live, but also sucks to search for the people i follow for good content amongst those I follow for discussions. I believe Will said this was coming but wasn’t a priority over stability. I agree and can wait for that to come.

brugeman 3y ago

I'm working on an 'algorithmic feed' problem. You can check out https://nostr.band homepage for trending urls, hashtags and people. Trending posts coming soon. These lists are free of several kinds of spam that I've seen on nostr up until now (not based on simple easily-inflatable like/reply/follower counts). Is this something you're looking for? What other kinds of 'tops' would you consider useful?

This will actually be better, IMO. You load up your custodial wallet and send sats with just one tap instead of constantly having to pull out your phone. Though for larger tips, I think keeping it how it is on profiles may be a good open.

brugeman 3y ago

I think it could be done today on web clients w/ getAlby extension, but somehow astral that I'm using doesn't integrate w/ WebLN yet :( #[3]

It kind of is... and it's centralized. So we have some work to do there.

brugeman 3y ago

Well it's really not an identity, but an alias, a pseudonym. A domain owner or DNS could a) steal your alias or b) erase it. In case b) you just set another alias, but case a) might be a bigger problem - people could try to impersonate you and scam others.

I've seen people in Nostr design telegram group proposing visual markers on avatars that depend on pubkeys so that users would notice a different pubkey impersonating a familiar one. Haven't seen that implemented anywhere yet though

I wouldn't agree there. NIP-05 identifying yourself is free if you have an existing domain. Spammers already utilize domains for spamming and phishing. It would just take 2 seconds to NIP-05 ID all of their bots.

brugeman 3y ago

That's correct, but it's also trivial for you to ban the whole domain, so it's a bit of an improvement over naked pubkeys.

Moid ( DEAD ACCOUNT. SEE DISCRIPTION FOR NEW NPUB )

I suppose if you were a business with your own domain, you could use it to verify you worked for said company?

brugeman 3y ago

Your own domain is costly, so I'd say it makes total sense, it shows your pubkey wasn't generated w/ a couple of CPU cycles.

it's a existing social platform and vibrant community. no other provider has this.

brugeman 3y ago

That's right. OTOH, I'm thinking about Alby and stacker.news giving out free NIP names might get abused by spammers who will join just to get a good looking name. Paid names are a better approach IMHO. Time will tell though

They did! As soon as people start using it we'll have to update the charts because they have a very unique feature that no one else has! I only see 8 people using it thus far.

brugeman 3y ago

I've counted 13 already. What is their unique feature?

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