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Sunthemata27
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Forest Rebel, Musulman, exiled from the Simulation
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As this Age concludes and the Event approaches, it is expected that capital and industrial growth will speed onward, developing and multiplying more and more rapidly (an acceleration that is both cyclically inevitable and dangerously oriented toward ultimate catastrophe); and, given the destruction that awaits, they will be among of the chief agents of Absolute Evil.

No one likes the doomsday observer – nearly all prophets, philosophers, and neo-reactionaries have been shunned at some point – yet it is a duty of the fourth estate to remember:

Due to its desire for quantification, modern civilization has been atomized and reoriented to stimulate illusory needs of material human nature – a thriving cult of progress that only need output more and more artificial needs to satisfy modernity’s march toward extinction. When one’s state of mind only finds meaning in “becoming”, vision of reality has been lost and civilization is blind to what is beyond, which is the realm eternal principles. Secular philosophers are no longer novices of sorcerers, having fully divorced themselves of initiation and mutated their Nimbus 2000s for Starships.

An agnostic society can only glory in its ignorance. And having confused science with industry it substitutes its innovations of utility for truth. This “intelligence” is nothing more than individualistic pragmatism – a self-contradictory relativism. Behold, AGI – the pinnacle of infinite feedback loops. Having determined to pursue the domination over matter above all else, civilization has succeeded only in becoming its slaves as it binds them to its service.

The relic of prophetic tradition lies in the transcendent wisdom of their intellectual intuition. To be clear: if the proletariat accepts the pretext of modern civilization, they have denied this principle and doctrine by dragging truth down to the level of their own base nature rather than elevating the soul toward the immutable and infallible. If modern civilization persists, its future is in anti-civilization and death. Their biased denial of everything that transcends excludes dialogue with the authentic representatives of other civilizations, nay it forbids understanding of the existence of different civilizations. Engagement is futile aside from nomic competition.

Yet, there remain some who do see past the moralistic hypocrisy of hypermodernity, if only to disguise and augment their ambitions and designs. Others look to SAIF for OSINT and guidance. For such sleepers who are awakening, contact with living spirit of tradition is necessary. Recovery is possible. A new World awaits. Whoever has ears, let them hear.

“Due to its desire for quantification, modern civilization has been atomized and reoriented to stimulate illusory needs of material human nature - a thriving cult of progress that only need output more and more artificial needs to satisfy modernity's march toward extinction.”

Spot on; if I may add something, Guy Debord as well as Baudrillard argue that capitalists and communists have, in the first case explicitly, in the second case implicitly, accepted and promoted pseudo-needs, as something essential to our being. Debord in his analysis of the Commodity as Spectacle, concludes that exactly those pseudo-needs will drive the economic system to overheat thereby crashing it.

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Hui analyzed two very fundamental concepts constituting the back bone of modern systems theory and cybernetics, Recursivity and Contingency, the second one can be imagined as a thing in potentia which hasn’t been actualized yet, however it can be something positive or negative, the point is that technical systems by quantifying contingency, which is deemed immanent in every system, manage to turn negative potentials, which are being actualized through a recursive non linear movement, into positives one. Let me give you a small example of this functioning.

Now Baudrillard in “The consumer Society” describes how tangibly negative events like an increase in alcohol/drug/porn &c consumption are turned into positive ones by putting them in an excel sheet documenting an increase in commodity purchases, so that in the end they are brought into the circulatory economic system and contribute e.g to the GDP.

This circularity economy is at the same time a system of homeostasis like all cybernetics systems and a system of hedonistic excess. You may ask, balance and excess how does that go together? Well they build in certain mechanisms to force homeostasis just think about boom-bust cycles yeah.

Big question is how to bring down such systems without being turned into a positive contributing factor oneself, a collapse is, according to Hui only guaranteed when the borders of negentropy (order) are crossed, so that the recursive movement comes to an halt. The concretization of this vague notion of a negentropic breakdown, is a question that needs urgent answering, if we want to preserve a future for humanity.

PS. Maybe instead of a tearing down of such systems, an incorporation, via cosmotechnical means, could offer another route, cybernetics with an Islamicate touch. But we are not a people of awareness any longer, how often do we contemplate about Mizan(Balance) and the ayat Allah swt. has placed in nature. Shameful to say the least.

Hui analyzed two very fundamental concepts constituting the back bone of modern systems theory and cybernetics, Recursivity and Contingency, the second one can be imagined as a thing in potentia which hasn’t been actualized yet, however it can be something positive or negative, the point is that technical systems by quantifying contingency, which is deemed immanent in every system, manage to turn negative potentials, which are being actualized through a recursive non linear movement, into positives one. Let me give you a small example of this functioning.

Now Baudrillard in “The consumer Society” describes how tangibly negative events like an increase in alcohol/drug/porn &c consumption are turned into positive ones by putting them in an excel sheet documenting an increase in commodity purchases, so that in the end they are brought into the circulatory economic system and contribute e.g to the GDP.

This circularity economy is at the same time a system of homeostasis like all cybernetics systems and a system of hedonistic excess. You may ask, balance and excess how does that go together? Well they build in certain mechanisms to force homeostasis just think about boom-bust cycles yeah.

Big question is how to bring down such systems without being turned into a positive contributing factor oneself, a collapse is, according to Hui only guaranteed when the borders of negentropy (order) are crossed, so that the recursive movement comes to an halt. The concretization of this vague notion of a negentropic breakdown, is a question that needs urgent answering, if we want to preserve a future for humanity.

Quick Anecdote, when once discussing the dangers of AI distorting our perception of reality and what’s real and fake, in a small group, where one ex CFO of a large company was present, said CFO simply couldn’t get what the point of my talk was, constantly trying to paddle back to the alleged future economic benefits of artificial intelligence. We all come from different backgrounds, have different interests, but some people really are a living conformation of how strict departmentalization facilities brain-rot.

If you ever had the pleasure of meeting with people who studied/work in finance, like I assume those Linkedin folk you talk about here do, and who have a standing in their firm so they are not on the lower level of the company hierarchy, it pretty quickly gets pretty clear that their brain was re wired to serve the god called economy. They simply can’t escape the (il)logic of growth and capitalism. So the last paragraph of yours is very apt, and I can’t see many people move beyond this economic paradigm we find ourselves in, for now that is.

Musk suffers from Napoleon Complex, so it seems to me at least;

a small man thinking he can play with the big dogs, promoting AfD, demanding the release of Tommy Robinson, pushing far right propaganda and constantly promoting Lahabites, crude and obnoxious approaches,yet the masses falling for this are even cruder.

Now compare with Peter Thiel on the other hand, more subtle, better versed in politics and philosophy, his networking within GAE and to my surprise in GAE vassal states is something to be taken note off, building a power network that comprises high ranking people from almost all western countries. Definitely far more dangerous than Musk.

They are blawing the pogers up, and still, people won’t even leave X for FOSS Social Media platforms. That’s not a winning team we have here, if we are to be honest.

Social media, viewed as the public sphere, where people come together to discuss and share ideas, is feeding into the logic of the system. Abandon the notion of posting for an educated audience and having “ intellectually stimulating” exchanges , those are for the group chats, that is if you can’t find an in-person group in real life. Embrace the ways of the saboteur and polarizer, thesis and antithesis, culminating in synthesis, are non existent in cyberspace, here only the extremes count.

The forest walker does not fight according to martial law, but is also not a criminal. Nor is his discipline soldierly, and this fact presupposes a strong, direct leadership.

“ So, the civic virtues, which we have spoken of above, do really give

order to us and make us better; they limit and give measure to our appetites and, generally, give measure to our affective states and remove

our false beliefs by means of that which is generally better and by imposing limits on us and by the fact that that which is measured is

placed outside the things that are unmeasured and unlimited.” ~ Plotinus the Enneads

Notice the reference to geometry, Baudrillard as a photographer was a keen observer, he spotted the chaos wrought on by the modern world, and identified cancer as the ailment of this aeon, as it is something which diffuses amorphously, destroying the order of our bodies. Many parallels and connections here with other phenomena of our times.

“A diplomat…is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that you actually look forward to the trip.”

After the breaking up of traditional societal structures and the reordering of society compliant with ideas the elites held, notions of some kind of invisible hand ,which would magically take care of human flourishing on an individual as well as collective level , were articulated by people like Mandeville and Smith, it’s actually laughable how stupid one has to be, to believe in such nonsense. I think AHM said it best here, although he used it in the context of the secular Arab it can most definitely be appropriated to fit basically everybody in contemporary times ;

Hand the secular Arab a glass of urine, and tell him that it is wine. He will not only pretend to enjoy it, he will enjoy it.

“ The great weapons can only be created and managed by the superstates. Even the smallest minority, even the individual, can realize the forest walk. Here lies the answer that freedom has to give. And she has the last word. “

Ernst Jünger , The Forest Passage

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There is an arresting paragraph in Hallaq's Impossible State where he talks about how the paradigm of the modern state finds no overlap or common cause with that of Islamic governance:

"Nor did Islamic governance know anything like the scale of surveillance generated by the modern state’s police and prison systems. These, so normalized and a matter of fact today, would have been horrifying to Muslims as specters of domination and cruelty. Nor, still, did Islamic rule so much as tamper with the sphere of education, which remained not only private but also nonformal and highly accessible, accommodating the entire spectrum of social strata"

There are a few times in the Impossible State where Hallaq touches upon the coercive and pervasive net of surveillance the modern state casts over everything it sees in an effort to shape the moral nature of its citizens. Nearly every time he does so he references Foucault's work which is to be expected given his intervention in this particular facet of political philosophy.

Hallaq though does not reference the Cypherpunks as a philosophical resource even though the two share striking similarities. One of the biggest drawbacks with Hallaq's work is there is not enough translation of how his astute theoretical analysis translates into the modern machinery of the State in terms of how it actually works. This does not detract from the merit of his work at all, but there is an opportunity that goes begging.

The modern State is a parasite that logs everything you do, leaving no sphere for an "individual" to truly emerge, it is a consumptive pathology that leaves no space for autonomy even though it dresses itself up in the rhetoric of High Enlightenment aesthetics. This inescapable fact that is now proven beyond reproach is the ultimate vindication of the Hallaqian thesis.

Secrecy, Autonomy, Hierarchy are all bound up in a more intimate way then most people realize, would give a lengthy philosophical exposition but tbh not feeling like it today, maybe next time but take away secrecy and you flatten hierarchy, flatten hierarchy and there is no autonomy. Anybody that is interested in a synoptical reading session on the topic should read Guenon Reign of Quantiy…Hasan Spikers Freedom and Hierarchy and ofc Hallaqs Impossible State and as always we thank you for sharing this great paragraph with us.

Points to a circular mode of “knowledge” for cybernetic systems such as LLM’s , usually in epistemology at least up until modernity knowledge was the identification of knowing subject with the known object, with cybernetic systems like AI there is no identification bc how can something that not posses a Self identify with anything thus knowledge in such systems is being replaced by networks each part of the network adapts automatically to the other parts in the network through a retroactive force (rückkoppelnde Kraft). Where each part only needs to anticipate its next feedback

The platforms where I least want to be are the ones populated with the most (diverse and interesting) users e.g Twitter. And the ones where I’d rather be like Nostr, are almost a no man’s land. Need a resettling of (the good parts) MT to Nostr.

It’s an all out of war to stop islamicate sovereignty, mobilizing all our resources is a necessity. Good point you made is how the vassal states of the empire need to be weakened by CWA. Playing by their rules is a fruitless endeavor and almost nothing good came out of participating in their institutions and programs. Recently I was thinking about how Muslims have established a strong foothold in the European underworld and if it would be possible to further undermine their societies by harnessing the power that lies in the twilight zone of organized crime. (needless to say in a halal way)