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bitcoin maximalists are all lying scum

when blocks remain small, lightning can't scale without custodians. even if every single transaction on L1 was dedicated to maintaining lightning channels, it would still top out at a certain number of sovereign users, and to get more converts to the bitcoin religion you would need them to use custodians. why are you okay with that? do you really think it's cool that someone else can just steal your money or rug you? are you really cool with only a small percentage of the wealthiest bitcoiners being able to own their own money, while everyone else has no protection from getting robbed?

Ah, conspiracy theory and FUD to shill altcoins. Nice.

1. Banks want to keep you using banks: Absolutely, and that's why Bitcoin exists to provide an alternative financial system outside of traditional banking.

2. Keeping Bitcoin blocks small makes Layer 1 unusable as real-world cash: Layer 1 is designed for security and decentralization, not for buying your daily coffee. That's where Layer 2 solutions like Lightning Network come in, enabling fast and cheap transactions.

3. Non-Custodial Layer 2 is complex: Early technology often is complex. Bitcoin is money for the next 1000 years. Remember when using the internet required dial-up modems and command lines? User-friendly interfaces are rapidly developing for Lightning Network.

4. Custodial Layer 2 is the new Banking: Only if you choose to use custodial services. Bitcoin gives you the freedom to be your own bank or to use services at your discretion.

5. Fiat Banks and insurance companies funded Blockstream: Blockstream's funding is public, and while they have investors, the leap to say they control Bitcoin's development is a bit of a stretch.

6. Bitcoin Core devs also worked for Blockstream conflict of interest: Bitcoin Core is open-source, and contributions come from a global community. If you suspect foul play, you're free to audit the code or contribute yourself.

7. Maxis force unrealistic solutions, pushing custodial accounts: No one's forcing anything. The beauty of Bitcoin is that it's open and permissionless. If better solutions exist, the market is free to adopt them.

8. Small blocks don't decentralize it: On the contrary, smaller blocks allow more people to run full nodes, enhancing decentralization. As for Lightning, it's becoming more accessible, and you can open channels with minimal amounts.

Therefore, people do use Bitcoin in the real world, and banks are noticing. That's why there's so much interest in Bitcoin and not something like Monero.

So, what am I disputing? The notion that Bitcoin isn't evolving to meet these challenges. It is, and doing so while maintaining the principles that make it valuable in the first place.

But hey, enjoy your privacy coins. Meanwhile, we'll be over here continuing to build the future of global finance for Earth.

re your answer to #3: you literally just pretended that user friendliness is equivalent to sovereignty. it's not. it doesn't matter if lightning gets "easier." if you don't own a UTXO and use it to open your own channel, it's someone else's money. and bitcoin is designed right now so that there is not enough room for lots of people to own and interact with their own UTXO. in a mass adoption scenario with small blocks and lightning, the number of people who can be sovereign is way smaller than the number of people who want to be. 99% of the population gets shoved into a centralized custodian. that's just not going to protect decentralization.

lmao he even used the word "unstoppable." these people have fucking brain damage

you should not have to become a rocket surgeon to be sovereign. even if were easy the system of lightning still requires you to interact with a UTXO to be sovereign and there's not enough room for everyone. I don't like payment channel solutions anyway. if lightning is the best L2 that bitcoin developers can come up with you are in for some trouble down the road. sovereignty is really what gives bitcoin its shine.

echo "Satoshis per Dollar:" && curl -s https://bitpay.com/api/rates | jq '.[] | select(.code=="USD") | (100000000 / .rate) | floor'

I listened to this whole thing while doing my leaves today. it was pretty great. bitcoin maxis have become cowards who want to comply instead of changing the world, and all the hard work is instead being done by monero and ethereum people.

let's start here. any cryptocurrency payment network that can't scale without help from custodians belongs in the trash bin. it's the custodians who are the problem. their presence erases all of the benefits that bitcoin is supposed to provide. ruggable sats is a retarded idea. if it takes you longer than 3 minutes to figure this out on your own you have brain damage.

imagine it's the year 2017. I invent an altcoin that doesn't scale without custodians. by its design, if too many people try to use it without a custodian the fees shoot up and most people can't afford to interact with it. the custodians issue IOUs against these coins and it is totally impossible to verify that the number of IOUs doesn't exceed the number of circulating coins. you would call it a shitcoin, and you would be correct. but now it's 2024, they did the same exact thing with bitcoin, and all you see is the little yellow B with the two lines through it and you think everything is fine. you're being scammed.