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NostrGoUp from Down Under

Curious on people's thoughts on this.

I was thinking about multisig vs single sig and I think I came to the conclusion that multisig protects best against THEFT and not necessarily LOSS.

Let me explain.

If you are considering single sig vs multi sig, consider if you think you are more prone to losing things or if you are more likely to be robbed or targeted.

If you are more prone to losing things, then you are probably also more likely to lose 2 things before you realise you lost anything.

You also burden yourself with finding multiple safe spaces, ideally geographically disperse. Either you don't disperse them well enough and a house fire destroys 2 of 3 keys, or you do, but it is difficult to monitor them and they are MORE prone to losses without your knowledge.

This has always bugged me about multisig, this idea that we just turn one problem into three (or two in case of collaborative custody)

If you are worried more about theft or being targeted, then multisig has a meaningful benefit.

Why might theft be an issue?

- Maybe you insist on a digital key (hot)

- Maybe you are a public figure

- Maybe you live in a bad neighborhood

This doesn't guarantee protection against a $5 wrench attack, but if you have to travel across town with a gun to your back to spend the funds, maybe they'll move on considering it a waste of their time and maybe that leads to more deadly outcomes, but we'll ignore that.

I'm thinking more along the lines of a digital data leak or a home invasion while you are away.

In this case, if you used a single key, your funds are gone. At best you and the attacker are racing or raising fees, just to prevent the other from getting the money.

In a multi sig setup, assuming you are not loss prone and are likely to learn of a copied or stolen key in a reasonable time, you know how to get to 2 keys to recover the funds quickly while the attacker is still looking for another valid key.

If you use collaborative custody, chances are that there are identity checks or time constraints for the attacker and you still have 2 keys to immediately recover.

At the very worst, a sophisticated attacker might steal one key to trigger you to start recovery and then follow you and $5 wrench attack you once they have all the pieces. But this starts to reach into the what if category. Well, you basically have to be a VIP public figure or a dick who boasts about their wealth most likely and also not have hired security.

I'm curious if I hit the nail on the head here or if you have a different opinion. Let me know.

#asknostr

Yep pretty much how I see it. Most ppl might not initially agree with this statement but splitting a 24 word seed into 2 halves (splitting into 3 or splitting a 12 word seed is obviously dumb) is a great option for long term cold storage

Brute forcing 12 or 11 words w/ checksum is equally as pointless as trying to brute force 24 words.

Eliminating single point of failure & capture requires 4 geographical locations.

Wallet restore is simple, potential for error is reduced & less education required for inheritance planning.

Could apply same logic to 12 word seed encrypted w/ passphrase….

Hww set up w/ encrypted seed in location 1, passphrase at location 2, 1-12 words in location 3 with passphrase again location 4

#Asknostr anyone know why Primal ask for details to activate in app wallet? Trying to be anon, not sure if they verify details later in anyway??

Walk over the bridge to nostr then blow the bridge up 😂😂

I just started on nostr, trying to learn about content discovery / seeing notes & being seen & how it relates to relays. Do you know if the nostr profile makes a difference somehow?? Or is it relay selection… 🤨

I agree but quote reposted, bit of a rebel that way 😂😂 nostr:note1dtja5vemh0d4p3l20kjf6cmvnf65e3v7fecpnwglatufkqdre44s4exewq

Tried clicking the link but getting an error msg not connecting to server

I’m like 2 days old on nostr 🤝I just went to the folllowing / followers parts of profiles and recognised names from X

Oh yeah makes sense the apple tax shiiiiit oh well the profile way is easy enough. Thanks man for the help, I think I’m going to like it here 🙏🏽🙏🏽👍

Not sure if it’s just my Damus app or something else but trying to zap the ⚡️ on your post isn’t doing anything from my end?? Brand new nostr newbie here

Replying to Avatar Ivan

YES

There’s a lot of healing in the days ahead, also releasing the JFK papers would be a form of healing

Sentience is humans we should always strive for more of. But on topic of digital sovereignty, those who don’t strive for P2P / decentralised / self hosted / FOSS in their digital life will find themselves more an more vulnerable to and needing the rent seekers…with great power comes great responsibility sorta thing

That would attract so much more Bitcoin, Bitcoiners, Bitcoin businesses to the US….would be an amazing thing to see play out

Digital sovereignty will be the new buzz term