Well, yeah. There’s also the issue of forced conversions. Christianity won’t succeed in forced conversion at scale because it’s too disparate. If opphunter88 tried to force me to convert to Lutheran faggotism I’d hard reject it. I’d tell him to fuck off and if it escalated to violence I’d kill him. I bet he’d flip the fuck out if I tried to forcibly convert him to LDS, too, even though as far as the serious moral tests of the century are concerned my denomination is less flawed.

And to be clear, I wouldn’t blame him. Robbing people of free will is just cause to go on the warpath, and he’s suggesting exactly that because he thinks his e-ministry vindicates him.

I was comparing it with the religious alternatives. Islam's days are clearly numbered and will freefall when the oil runs out. Hinduism and Buddhism are pagan garbage and also in decline. The rest aren't even a blip on radar.

Are most human beings effectively atheist? Yes, but that's been true for all of human history.

The situation is actually quite different from before, conversion through state violence might be the only way.

In antiquity, the average pagan had an awareness that reality was a series of tragedies, and that all men were prone to evil. So when they learned of the Fall, and subsequently, the redemptive work of Christ, it mapped right onto a worldview they already had, which is why it spread like wildfire in Rome long before it was legalized.

Today, even that basic groundwork of pagan tragedy is gone. If you ask a zoomer what they think man’s evil consists of, they’ll probably say racism, or White people, and zero comprehension beyond this. Pagans also believed in metaphysical reality, moderns don’t.

I don’t think we’re “convincing” anyone back into anything. The average person is an idiot who couldn’t decide for his own soul if he wanted to (which he doesn’t.) The only way to get back to sanity is actually enforcing Christian laws, burning heretics. Things like the Muslims do.

You mean "using the devil's tools to accomplish God's work"? I already gave you an example of how we're doing that with the internet. Also, conversion efforts in meatspace haven't been suspended, either. Some sects make a big deal about it, others don't. My point is we're not doing stuff like ramming airliners into office buildings, because we have no reason to when we're winning.

You didn't answer my question. What do you want us to do?

What actions do you propose that Christians are currently not taking? Conversion by the sword? It's not necessary when we have a global communications network where we can just talk to people and convert them. Should Christians behave more like the Bible commands us to? Of course, but that's a process and our role as part of the faithful is to encourage that.

Yet it's still the #1 religion in the world and it's not even close. There must be something there people find more compelling than the alternatives.

Pick whichever century you want me to pick for the sake of your argument and continue if you have a particular point you want to make.

>(Note: one fifth of the current century is gone already.)

AND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE FLYING CARS

>implying

That word is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. Historically, and arguably even today, Christianity has been a faith that has aggressively propagated itself and promoted its values in whatever societies it was present in.

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Do I even need to read this? The buffet is open! I don't think whales care what color the free food is.