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what about the teaching that God is triune when the Bible says that “there is but one God, the Father” (1 Corinthians 8:6)

I am wondering why my computers don't work the way I expect

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From my pastor: MOST EMBARRASSING FAILED DISPENSATIONAL PROPHECIES, candidate three

“The Third Temple”

Immediately, I’ll be met with this answer, even before I start explaining anything. The Dispensationalist will say, “It’s coming, though! You just wait! You call it failed now, but what if it gets built in the next twenty years?”

The issue is timing, though. The same believer who says, “Just wait!” also believes the Rapture could happen later today, and we’d be in the End Times seven-year period called the Great Tribulation. They see this period described in (roughly) Revelation 6-18. Everything in this section has to be done in the seven years immediately following the Rapture.

The issue is that Revelation 11:1-2 has a temple in Jerusalem, being trampled down and overrun by the nations for 42 months, or the second half of the seven years. This means the temple has to be up and running at this point, midway through the Great Tribulation.

I realize that there are a number of groups that currently advocate for building a new temple in Jerusalem. I’ve seen reports talking about all the resources and items they’ve amassed that could be used in its construction.

The very same sorts of stories were being excitedly shared among the Dispensationalists when I was converted to Christ in 1989. I read them and was thrilled by them. Then some old-timers off-handedly mentioned that those stories had been told and repeated for decades already, even at that time.

Now, again, with the caveat that God can do anything at any time, a quick look at the political situation will yield (to the mind of anyone without a Dispensationalist agenda) that any new temple in Jerusalem is nowhere on the horizon.

But, but, the Rapture could happen today! And that’s the big failure of the Dispensational scheme here: For the Rapture to be imminent, the new temple needs to be at least mostly complete. In the world we actually live in, this is a pipe dream. If the temple isn’t right around the corner, then neither is the Great Tribulation. It is a failure of the system that its leaders have been confidently calling it imminent (any moment now!) for at least 80 years.

#faith #bible #christian #endtimes

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From my pastor: MOST EMBARRASSING FAILED DISPENSATIONAL PROPHECIES, candidate five

"Antichrist Identification"

First off, even calling the End Times supervillain THE Antichrist is biblically shaky. "The Man of Sin" or the First Beast or the Little Horn would be more correct. (John describes "antichrist" as a spirit, not an individual man.) But Antichrist is easily the most marketable of those labels so we'll run with it.

The embarrassing bit I'm referencing is the cascade of wrong guesses that have flowed out, and continue to flow out, from believers who have the Revelation open, highlighter in hand, while watching Fox News.

I don't have a lot of memories before the 70's but I've been alive to see every President of the US, the USSR and Russia, and Israel since then; plus the Prime Ministers of every prominent European power, plus every Pope; plus anyone who achieved any sort of world-status in international affairs, identified as the Antichrist. In fact, just hours before I wrote this post, a FB friend suggested (I think seriously) President Macron of France. This paragraph has probably only scratched the surface of the constant stream of guesses that have all come up false.

At least, with guessing the timing of the Rapture, we have a warning from Jesus that no man knows the day. That doesn't stop those bad guesses, but I'm thinking it probably does curb them a bit. With the Antichrist, there's no such warning against trying to identify him, and so the wrong guesses fly like clay pigeons at a skeet shoot.

If this is what your interpretive scheme produces in every place it's taught, a non-stop avalanche of false warnings, don't you have to consider that the underlying problem is systemic?

#faith #bible #christian #endtimes

The Messiah is Among Us! -Rabbi Tovia Singer

https://tube.raccoon.quest/watch?v=TiHqrMNSxAw

Who is the Antichrist? Rabbi Tovia Singer Exposes False Christian Teachings

https://tube.raccoon.quest/watch?v=xVG8lPB1Les

”people won’t listen to the truth”

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus

(1 Timothy 2:5)

Christians don’t believe in one God, and they don’t believe in the man Christ Jesus.

#Christianity

#Jesus

#Bible

#Truth

"... he refers to himself as "I am" which is the name God gave Moses when Moses asked who was sending him."

you mean John 8:24?

"I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”

you should believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God

"But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name."

(John 20:31)

that is the message of the Gospel of John, if you read something else into it you are wrong

#Christianity

#Jesus

I am discovering new #nostr clients, Nostros was the newest

1) "When Jesus says "I and the Father are one," how can this mean anything other than that they are one God?"

Jesus says that the Father is the only true God:

"you, the only true God"

not "you and me the only true God"

"Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."

(John 17:3)

2) “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."

(John 17:20-23)

#Christianity

“Jesus is God” is Christian religion, but Jesus was not Christian.

the God of Jesus Christ was the God of Israel.

“One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”

(Mark 12:28)

“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.”

(Mark 12:29)

“Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him.”

(Mark 12:32)

this is in your Bible!

#Christianity

#Bible

“A God that is one God in three persons can be referred to as singlular (one God) or plural (three persons).”

Yes, but a God who says in first person that there is no God apart from him can’t:

I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. (Isaiah 45:5)

“If you disagree… and say that only God the Father is God”

for us there is but one God, the Father (1 Corinthians 8:6)

“Also, what do you think Jesus and the Holy Spirit are?”

Jesus asked his disciples: “Who do you say I am?” (Matthew 16:15)

Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” (Matthew 16:16)

I believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of the living God.

the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God, the Spirit of truth (John 14:17)

#Christianity

#Jesus

#God