Reminds me of a recent song I wrote/made using my Philosophical notes on Evolution as a Greedy Optimizing algorithm vs Conciousness + Me humming the tune + AI putting it all together, please give it a listen 😃 :

https://podverse.fm/episode/ui6sdtn-g

So .. I think money and its direct consequence, profit, played a very important role - lots of trade, cultural exchange, etc. Just like, Competition has played a very important role in Evolution and therefore Humans exist today. So no, Im not classifying any of them as categorically bad.

I now remember a famous quote "Nature is cruel, but we don't have to be" by Dr. Temple Grandin. By the way, I remeber it from a really good movie based on her life, worth checking out.

So, Yes competition, money and therfore profit are not bad. They were needed in the past. But now they're not well suited to be dominant mechanics or the soul of our economic system, we need to evolve out of it too.

If change is the only thing constant, then maybe we must entertain a bit of change. And I think our economic system needs change.

Let me know how you like the song 😃

True, it is a really competitive space but its food 🥺, its life, we need to claim it back and make it free from profit. No matter what the currency is (Even Bitcoin), we know how profit ruins any industry, I think this is clear to the world today.

So though I agree theres a monopoly of money but I don’t see how a new form of the same idea (ofcourse free from govt n central authorities) has a different effect on humans in running the same services/businesses , won’t we want more of bitcoin , will profit maximising disappear, will hiding scientific research to make profit go away, will businesses suddenly care , will kindness exponentially increase? I dont see how.

It was hard for me to imagine how Vipassana Meditation centers which don't charge a penny, still exist and not only exist , they grow, Now they have 267 own centers world wide offering 10 day courses for free. The surprising part is once you finish a course, there is no one "asking" you to donate. Sometimes people have to really ask around where the donation counter is. That is the effect of something that is offered selflessly and we living in a system built upon selfishness have forgotten that power. And a selfless organization isn't playing the game of "who is taking advantage of whom" - that game is only true inside a system based on selfishness.

Yes, there are paid employees and also volunteers in co-ops. Both are possible.

You would be surprised regarding margins. This is the recent report on retail sector / Supermarkets in Germany (As its in German, maybe some AI can answer your questions once you upload and ask it): https://monopolkommission.de/images/PDF/SG/SG%20LLK%202025/Sondergutachten%20Lebensmittellieferkette_Monopolkommission.pdf

In summary, there is a kind of monopoly happening in Germany, these supermarkets squeeze the farmers, food processors and also charge customers a lot as they don't pass on the savings. And guess who is the wealthiest person in Germany, owner of a grocery chain, Aldi.

I have read the history of money and those examples. Somehow the assumption is that we would go back to that era when the topic of a moneyless economy comes because it is hard to imagine one and so as I said it is hard to describe for me the final evolved form of the economy without money.

I just try to kickstart this simple zero-profit grocery project and see where it goes 😄 .. I know it wont transform the entire economy in my lifetime, but maybe after 75-100 years - just laying the foundations, sowing the seed for a different kind of economy :-)

Thank you :)

It’s a simple grocery store idea and so, I think it will work anywhere. This is more like a consumer food coop and when Food coops can exist why not this everywhere?

Normal stores - Try to Maximise & keep all profit

Coops - Share it with members as dividends

Zero profit store - Gives it back to customers it took it from.

Simple unexplored business model and doable I think.

And thanks for read it 🙏👍

This is hard to answer because

1. I don’t exactly know how it will function.

2. It will loosely be based on gift economy values.

What I am mostly confident of is the path towards such an economy which will inevitably take us towards a new system and reveal it’s exact workings.

The path I have in mind is an application of an ancient meditation method called Vipassana to the economy. Basically in this meditation, the root cause of suffering is identified to be our cravings and aversions.

I think the economic system suffers from the same (Cravings for infinite growth).

When I apply it to economy I got this : Start zero-profit business in the food sector. And hence I have a plan document here if you’re interested:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tlFSN8bUQ3IQ__h3kct83hqF8pH8pNhGpAU5IMPNKGg/edit?usp=drivesdk

Humans don’t seem to let go of money but the system needs money to be redistributed to keep the consumption economy going.

And so Taxation (and UBI in future) will exist to keep the monetary economic system alive. The only freedom in my opinion is to evolve the system into something non-monetary resource based system.

Oh yea true, I forgot that he is going to raise taxes for the top 1-5% richest I think.

Anyway, I do understand the idea - whenever things are forced, we don’t like it and also makes us dislike things that indirectly cause this forcing (poverty, inequality, food subsidies, etc etc ) and thus reduces kindness in the world.

But also, as long as the concept/tool of “taxation” exists as a system balancing act, guys like him are needed.

Discussions to usurp forcing tools completely from our systems is a different topic - this has been my main point that we should not misplace our disappointments or anger.

My thoughts on “AI and Economy”

https://zanynik.medium.com/analysis-predictions-ai-economy-7974aff578c9

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By theft if you mean taxation that is already happening and he is advocating for using taxes properly for better public services, so it makes sense.

If the issue is about taxation and system itself then it’s a different topic , nothing to do with him I think.

0 1 and Infinity.

An article on these concepts in the context of Spiritual Indian Philosophy and meditation practice of Vipassana.

https://zanynik.medium.com/0-1-f934cb19451a

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Thanks for replying on this. I could fix a bug in my project 😁, now I see your post on the project page too.

I follow him on Bluesky, seems like a nice guy, who thinks about the poor people. He is kind I think. Maybe Kindness is about not being so focused on the self (the individual) and hence the word collective maybe.

I actually like him 😄

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Published a song:

https://podverse.fm/episode/ui6sdtn-g

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