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Yes

Cool, gl. Will follow along

Sounds like a potential new coordinator impl on the horizon? 👀

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It's easy to miss the speed at which civilization is accelerating major technological advancements.

There have been roughly eight major turning points in human history. Most of them didn't involve any fundamentally new idea - they just used the advancements going on in the background to make a new thing work. And since those advancements built upon each other, so too were we able to make more and more small advancements at faster rates.

The first was language, around 60,000 to 100,000 years ago. Language allowed humans to begin preserving knowledge from generation to generation, meaning that each generation didn't have to relearn everything. Some other animals can pass on a few things - other primates teach their children how to use tools, for example - but not with the speed or detail allowed by human language.

The second was agriculture, around 10,000 years ago. Before the rise of agriculture, humans spent most of their time just getting enough food to live. After it, you could spare enough resources to have people start to become experts in things. One person could become an expert at computing things, another could become an expert tailor, and so on. Those specialists pushed the boundaries of their fields forward and shared what they learned through language.

The third was writing, around 5,500 years ago. Writing was a *huge* step forward. Now you could pass information on without having to have an expert sit down and tell you. You could keep track of things for generations, and find patterns in what you kept track of. For example, a lot of early mathematics was worked out to predict celestial events like eclipses, which you could only do if you had reliable records of when eclipses had occurred in the past.

The fourth was the printing press, around 600 years ago. This kicked writing into high gear and made information orders of magnitude more available (the printing press could produce copies of text around 100x faster than previous printing methods).

The fifth was the Scientific Method, around 400 years ago. While earlier scientists had existed, the scientific method turns out to be a much more effective way to test ideas than most previous frameworks, which tended to *start* with logic and try to *explain* observations, rather than *observing* observations and trying to design theories that fit them.

The sixth was the factory and mass production, around 150 years ago, which was made possible by massive advances in chemistry, engineering, and materials science enabled by the scientific method. This made the tools for experiments, data collection, and observation far more available, not just things that could be afforded by a few very wealthy researchers (or those funded by wealthy benefactors.) Automation wasn't new, but advancements in things like metallurgy, steam power, and electricity made automation *work* in a way the machines of the ancient world didn't.

The seventh was electronics, which was spread throughout the 20th century. The rise of electronic machinery allowed a whole new range of observations and a new level of precision. Again, this was only possible because factories permitted the mass-production of electronic components and because materials-science had advanced to the point that things like the transistor - a key component of all modern electronics that makes logical circuits possible - could be produced.

And the eighth major leap forward was networking, currently in the form of the Internet. The idea of a network, of course, was not new. Networks of information date back to the ancient world. But advancements in speed and precision via electronics, and the creation of vast networks of infrastructure through mass production, made it possible to instantly send vast amounts of information around the world on demand.

In general, it's best not to think of leaps in terms of "one big idea." Big ideas are enabled by a million small advancements, and many big ideas have been conceived numerous times before someone turns the big idea into a working thing. The pace of progress gets set by those small advancements, not by how many big ideas are thought up.

We stand upon the shoulders of giants who stood upon the shoulders of those whose names are lost to history. Will the next major turning point be AI? It's a bit early to say for sure, but it's certainly promising...

Curious if you considered religion/religious events in this timeline

Share your math, man

Yes, I have. Austrian Economics is sound. Mises, Hayek, Rothbard etc. all sound. In constrast, quotes like the one you shared offer no substance. Just bullshit spew with a toxic spin for morons to eat up. Saifedean is good at that.

If you want to learn more about BTC and "principles of economics" as they relate to BTC, I recommend going through the literature here:

https://nakamotoinstitute.org/literature/

Specifically look for stuff written by Nick Szabo. Some particularly good ones: "Shelling Out: The Origins of Money", "Trusted Third Parties are Security Holes", and "Money, Blockchains, and Social Scalability"

I can see why this kind of colorful bullshit prose appeals to a certain type of Bitcoiner, but there isn't any substance to this. Idiocy.

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I haven't read the book. Saifedean is a charlatan. The clearest evidence for this is his past appreciation for the stock to flow model as a useful tool to predict Bitcoin's price. You can find his positions on it on twitter. The stock to flow model is irrational. Saifedean made asinine arguments in its defense before it was obvious the model "failed" to predict Bitcoin's price. The stock to flow model had no basis in economic principles (it ignored demand in the equation). To read "principles of economics" from a fool who makes irrational economic arguments (ignoring basic economic principles in so doing) is a fool's errand.

Adding to this: you could flag all "silent" coinjoin txs via an OP RETURN field and implement an RPC that returns those txs for the silent sync. A wallet need only sync new txs since it last loaded. Should keep sync overhead low.

Ya this is a significant downside of silent payments. I think the custom sync is worth the downside. Could implement both legacy sync and silent payment sync for users of the feature

Oh ya, I get that. But the goal is to avoid reusing an address that's used in a different tx, on the output side of the coinjoin. If you can guarantee that never happens, even if the recipient of some UTXO's in the coinjoin is distinct from the sender who owns some inputs in the coinjoin (for example I'm making a donation to some org via a coinjoin), without requiring interaction from the recipient, that would be good and worth added complexity to do the silent protocol within the coinjoin.

I was thinking if a receiver shares their "silent" address with you there shouldn't need to be any additional interaction beyond that

I heard amazon is making sure customers have a tiny penis to buy Jason Lowery's book. Piloting KYP

Sure, but address reuse seems a significant issue you'd ideally want to avoid trustlessly without another interactive protocol, and even if 2 clients are open at the same time