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Christian. Bitcoiner ๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ‡บ #AUSTrich Silent payments sp1qq05897wj9atx9l0d0k3u8zdygljwqw0z66hxcwwszegfc5z647z6squn3azn0ul0xcdrc02pvn0wz3wnytq2v8h8y9k4ykx9tvydy85lmchfnha2 Monero 47tSH5HGARmYk5mTdZAfwyZH3zeGbGL841SgtQiQ2xArLjVXre8uLrhbUqMLUvmhiN3pbWFnGfpm392fdNYe5Dr29aQKZjJ

La dispensa dell'etna has alfresco dining in one of the prettiest squares in Castiglione di Sicilia. Great selection of local wines and home made fast. #food #wine #travel

#GM some videos of the Festa di la Madonna della Catena at castiglione di Sicilia from last night. The parade marched though the town for over 4 hours.

https://m.primal.net/QnXe.mp4

https://m.primal.net/QnXg.mp4

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Feast of the Madonna parade Castiglione di Sicilia #travel #italy #Sicily #Catholic

https://m.primal.net/QmwQ.mp4

Preparing to bring out the Madonna for the procession. The most Italian Mary and Jesus ever #travel #Sicily #Italy

#GM today is the day of the feast of the Madonna in Castiglione di Sicilia. There are matching bands and hourly masses Start from 6am. This year the statue of the Madonna will be bought out and paraded around the streets. This only happens once every 5 years.

Arco Rosso at Taormina does great panini, much cheaper than the surrounding restaurants. #food #travel

Granita and Brioche with my morning coffee #coffee

#GM from Castiglione di Sicilia ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น as the town begins celebrations for the feast of the Madonna. This morning a procession of pilgrims from neighbouring towns are welcomed with a matching band, arriving at the Basilica di la Madonna della Catena. #travel #Sicily

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GM,

It's 639am UK time, and I didn't sleep much last night. I got up to write this, then I'm going back to bed, I still won't sleep much.

First of all, thank you Will, for all you do, both on Core and on NOSTR. I don't do much myself, but I have done my fair share to change the world in my life. I am mostly a passenger now, but I promise I have earned my position at the top table for oversight of the world as it changes.

Once again, I deeply respect and admire you and everything you do.

My understanding of your statement is you can do this anyway via another method, so whatโ€™s the problem allowing this to happen via OP_RETURN.

This is bad, please allow me to set out my stall.

I donโ€™t want to store cat JPEGs or inscribed love letters on my nodes. Bitcoin is a financial transaction system, that is all. I appreciate it has always been possible to inscribe data on the blockchain from the genesis blocks โ€œBanks on Brink of second collapseโ€ to Len Sassamanโ€™s ASCII art image.

But taproot, in an effort to optimise storage and move closer towards a Turing complete engine by creating and combining scripts within Merkle trees, gave an unintended consequence. Cat JPEGs stored natively on the blockchain.

This exists, we canโ€™t stop it, many parties, including miners and NFT artists want this. I donโ€™t. Let Ethereum have the monopoly on cat JPEGs, Iโ€™m not looking to compete with Ethereum. That is my 3 - 5 votes out of 20,000+ active nodes at any time.

So, we are here, we have cat JPEGs and we have love poems stored on the blockchain, so allowing love poems in the OP_RETURN doesnโ€™t matter because we can do this anyway.

I disagree. For me we need to be making it harder to store cat JPEGs and love poems, not easier and continue to do this granularly until it is eliminated. That is the direction I want to head in.

So my question is, what canโ€™t we do with the blockchain that we would be able to do with an unrestricted OP_RETURN. If you donโ€™t know the answer, thatโ€™s fine, just because youโ€™re a core developer doesnโ€™t give you the ability to read somebody elseโ€™s mind.

The other argument Iโ€™ve seen from Lopp is that he has a lot of Bitcoin and not much shareholding in Citrea, the company pushing for this change. Why would he damage his Bitcoin for such a small company.

This argument also, doesnโ€™t hold water. Nobody expected Taproot would allow anybody to store cat JPEGs, the unintended consequences of change is always there.

I am in no way a developer, but I did code back in the 1980โ€™s to early 90โ€™s. I built, ran and maintained a Hungarian mainframe called a VT6000 based on Bull Mitre architecture for our global public electronics company, โ€œDensitronโ€, which my father founded and still exists today inside one of my other companies.

The machine ran MMT2 O/S and COBOL compiler. I was one of two people extending the functionality of a global accounting, stock control and ordering system called RelAcs (Real Time Accounting System). My colleague, a Hungarian called Charlie Lugosi was highly skilled, way beyond my limited abilities. We both broke the system in every conceivable way countless times trying to improve or maintain either the machines micro-code, the OS or the applications.The machine had 2 x 300MB CDC disks, 1MB RAM and a 2MB cache. It supported up to 16 dumb terminals.

By comparison, modern code like Bitcoin is unimaginably more complex, but the principles still apply. You never fully understand the consequences of a change until it is in production and being used in the real world.

Jameson Lopp would absolutely break Bitcoin if it benefitted him, somebody broke Bitcoin to allow cat JPEGs, probably unintentionally. Somebody let a virus out of a lab in China, probably unintentionally.

Unless there is a very good reason to reduce the restriction on OP_RETURN size, then we donโ€™t do it, because nobody knows what the consequences of this is, and Bitcoin core developers have no special insights that non core devs donโ€™t. And Bitcoin code, by nature is very conservative. Which is why Taproot caused more problems than it fixed.

As a core developer, if you are now involving yourself directly. If you donโ€™t know โ€œwhyโ€ we want to remove the OP_RETURN limit, you should be finding out, not discussing โ€œwell itโ€™s broken anyway, what harm can it doโ€ with idiots like me.

I am a voter and a customer and a user of your Core software, I can vote with my node and give my "free" business to other Bitcoin suppliers like Knots. I and my colleagues are who you are working for, albeit selflessly and unpaid. I am the one you are your core colleagues are accountable to.

If you are fully open and honest with us, you have our respect, support and admiration, if you treat us like we don't matter, we all leave and you are left in an empty ivory tower.

Why make out they want this for cat JPEGs. It's about contracts for bridges right?

What option is going to limit the ability to have permissionless money the most?

If bridges need to contact miners directly, then only bridges that are in the interest of the majority of mining power get in. Other things, like privacy chains that are banned by the state will be rejected out of fear of prosecution.

Cat JPEGs are already there with a segwit witness discount. They don't need this to bloat the chain and put pressure on decentralisation of node running.

As the OP points out, currently large miners are being contacted directly to include these transactions, this works against mining decentralisation.

By all means think through the consequences, but be honest when weighing up the positives and negatives.

The current state of play limits bridges to white listed entities and mining centralisation. Appealing to the boogie man what if and cat JPEGs is not a strong argument.

I don't zap when using primal because I'm not going to KYC. It's great that you have a default wallet that just works, an advanced setting to set up your own wallet with NWC would be great.

My WoS has failed to find a payment route twice tonight. Strike worked