https://seedteamtalks.hyper.media/tech-talks/xanadu-original-17-rules Seed.Hyper.media is reviewing their software with reference to Ted Nelson’s 17 Rules for Xanadu… #scmeetuptopic
Andre the Giant faced no prisoner’s dilemma
“Fundamental Factors Underlying Recent Technological Innovation” by Don Lancaster 2006 begins:
“What are the fundamental underlying "secret" forces that are driving recent technological developments? How can you apply these fundamental factors to your own product designs? Or at the very least, allow you to become enough aware that you can avoid getting done in by them?”
I haven’t read this just yet, but was reminded of the Nostr community after reading A Lodging of Wayfaring Men by Paul A. Rosenberg, as suggested by @Max - and Lancaster, albeit of a more ‘what I can implement right now’ bent (RE his The Incredible Secret Money Machine book about operating a small tech services business), has a similar outsider vibe
This just scratches the surface of folk histories that go back more than half a century (I got started on this today reading the transcript of a session from ‘the first hackers’ conference’ Nov 1984 connected to Steven Levy’s same titled book). Wayne Green and Ed Romney are more names mentioned in the reflections provided by people as book reviews here https://www.amazon.com/Incredible-Secret-Money-Machine-II/product-reviews/1882193652/
“Fundamental Factors Underlying Recent Technological Innovation” by Don Lancaster 2006 begins:
“What are the fundamental underlying "secret" forces that are driving recent technological developments? How can you apply these fundamental factors to your own product designs? Or at the very least, allow you to become enough aware that you can avoid getting done in by them?”
I haven’t read this just yet, but was reminded of the Nostr community after reading A Lodging of Wayfaring Men by Paul A. Rosenberg, as suggested by @Max - and Lancaster, albeit of a more ‘what I can implement right now’ bent (RE his The Incredible Secret Money Machine book about operating a small tech services business), has a similar outsider vibe
Thank you for contributing this reflection
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx0YK7dDAK9HOOZUkIfwf93QeutBhCVR_- here's that mention of 'web as shitcoin' - thanks for tryin' to bring attention to it ;)
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What's missing are network effects between people. LLMs just brute force this with people's alienated data
What's the emergent structure from hypertext which might serve as a sort of global billboard, maybe like a
activation atlas* for the conversations which arise within a topology of all specific niches
Or perhaps more symbolic, wherein the gestalt of the network whole is being addressed by a conversation about how that could (following the voluntarist alignment & discovered best practices for integrating feedback) culminate in something read at a glance, in the same way we can get a gut level impression in the human face(?), or R/Place
Either way, there's this "meme first, explain later"** structuring at play
* activation atlas example https://youtube.com/shorts/GjXL3rapP4Y
** Chris Williamson used this in passing (& perhaps he was attributing it to someone else?) - I'd like to credit other where possible (even if it gets cumbersome) - as this is exactly the kind of infrastructure we lack to support the practices I'm advocating being practiced
The question here is about having a container for everything that has surfaces / edges, ie, a way of exposing an aggregate of structure based on the thorough process of interaction / feedback within a particular topic (& related to what's related m, as well) - which creates a selection effect and forces a convergent process
What's the emergent structure from hypertext which might serve as a sort of global billboard, maybe like a
activation atlas* for the conversations which arise within a topology of all specific niches
Or perhaps more symbolic, wherein the gestalt of the network whole is being addressed by a conversation about how that could (following the voluntarist alignment & discovered best practices for integrating feedback) culminate in something read at a glance, in the same way we can get a gut level impression in the human face(?), or R/Place
Either way, there's this "meme first, explain later"** structuring at play
* activation atlas example https://youtube.com/shorts/GjXL3rapP4Y
** Chris Williamson used this in passing (& perhaps he was attributing it to someone else?) - I'd like to credit other where possible (even if it gets cumbersome) - as this is exactly the kind of infrastructure we lack to support the practices I'm advocating being practiced
A rare combination!
I'm here to forward the conversation for the noosphere
In pools, I take it
Sooo... CBDC's are like putting your ego in charge of your immune system
Who brought up Ted Nelson & Jaron Lanier Friday morning at #nostrica , asking #[0] a question at the #[1] Open Source stage? This person gives their name & I believe they say they're from Wailuku, Maui (? or not) - but those are not an npub.
Here's their question https://www.youtube.com/live/2NueacYJovA?feature=share&t=4626 which I've transcribed here:
“This zaps thing, it really brings me back to when I first started working ,my boss [I had?] worked for Ted Nelson who had started I the 70’s or 80’s hypermedia, trying to create a system pre-world wide web, the idea [being the] linking, linking back, transclusion - and one of the things in it was micropayments for publishers and content creators so they could part of the system… The problem was it was that it was a monolithic model which was more common back then, and it never really took off… And also Jaron Lanier wrote about this as well in “You Are Not a Gadget” about the importance for creators to be rewarded… I was just curious if you were aware the history and of how many had tried to solve this problem and how it’s actually possible now with our situation.”
Was there any other mention of #xanadu in conference conversations?
We haven’t escaped this default, but it doesn’t have to be our fate.
“The worst possibility is that human life may be extinguished. And it is a very real possibility, very real! And that is the worst. But assuming that doesn't happen… I can't bear the thought of many hundreds of millions of people dying in agony, only and soley because the rulers of the world are stupid and wicked! I can't bear it!” Bertrand Russell, 1959 (BBC’s ”Face to Face”)
I just heard about Nostr & I'm here to fix it