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Hot take: setting up a collaborative custody multisig vault with a third party like Unchained is WAY simpler and more foolproof for most people that singlesig + passphrase.

By “most people”, I do actually mean the non-tech savvy people. People who use the same password base for everything. People who haven’t owned a computer since they left their parents’ house. People who don’t know to check a link before clicking it.

It takes minimum intentionality, which inherently gives you a basic understanding of how private keys should be handled. People that go through that basic process will be SIGNIFICANTLY less likely to lose their keys. Meanwhile, it’s super easy for singlesig + passphrase setup to be mindless, and way more people are going to lose access to their wallet in that config than those with collaborative custody multisig.

Ha, got it working. Don’t give me a troubleshooting task or I’ll find the solution 😎

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You gotta submit this over on stacker’s meme Monday if you haven’t already

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OK how do I zap a note

The out of date inspection sticker got me on this one

It’s crazy how often I see people who think VPNs encrypt your data. It’s incredibly misleading. Read this:

https://stacker.news/items/224325

Not your keys, not your data

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I spoke at a big bitcoin-adjacent company this week and one of the best questions was from someone who asked what the downsides of bitcoin adoption might be.

I always do appreciate these steelman questions, the skeptical questions, the ones where we challenge ourselves. Only when we can answer those types of questions do we understand the concept that we are promoting.

So the classic example is that in modern economic literature, "deflation is bad". This, however, is only the case in a highly indebted system. Normally, deflation is good. Money appreciates, technology improves, and goods and services get cheaper over time as they should. Price of Tomorrow covers this well. My book touches on this too, etc. The "deflation is bad" meme is still alive in modern economic discourse and thus is worth countering, but I think in the bitcoin spectrum of communities, people get that deflation is fine and good.

My answer to the question was in two parts.

The first part was technological determinism. In other words, if we were to re-run humanity multiple times, there are certain rare accidents that might not replicate, and other commonalities that probably would. Much like steam engines, internal combustion engines, electricity, and nuclear power, I think a decentralized network of money is something we would eventually come across. In our case, Bitcoin came into existence as soon as the bandwidth and encryption tech allowed it to. In other universes or simulations it might look a bit different (e.g. might not be 21 million or ten minute block times exactly), but I think decentralized real-time settlement would become apparent as readily as electricity does, for any civilization that reaches this point. So ethics aside, it just is what it is. It exists, and thus we must deal with it.

The second part was that in my view, transparency and individual empowerment is rarely a bad thing. Half of the world is autocratic. And half of the world (not quite the same half) deals with massive structural inflation. A decentralized spreadsheet that allows individuals to store and send value can't possibly be a bad thing, unless humanity itself is totally corrupted. I then went into more detail with examples about historical war financing, and all sorts of tangible stuff. In other words, a whole chapter full of stuff. I've addressed this in some articles to.

In your view, if you had to steelman the argument as best as you could, what are the scenarios where bitcoin is *BAD* for humanity rather than good for it, on net?

Then there’s the concern that bitcoin doesn’t level the socioeconomic playing field, but steepens it. Governments and corporations will be able to get their hands on an increasing amount of bitcoin over time, and once they have enough, they’re effectively able to manipulate the supply, not only defeating the purpose but putting us in a worse situation. Even Satoshi coming out of the woods once we’re on a bitcoin standard would have a massive and probably damaging economic impact on the world.

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I spoke at a big bitcoin-adjacent company this week and one of the best questions was from someone who asked what the downsides of bitcoin adoption might be.

I always do appreciate these steelman questions, the skeptical questions, the ones where we challenge ourselves. Only when we can answer those types of questions do we understand the concept that we are promoting.

So the classic example is that in modern economic literature, "deflation is bad". This, however, is only the case in a highly indebted system. Normally, deflation is good. Money appreciates, technology improves, and goods and services get cheaper over time as they should. Price of Tomorrow covers this well. My book touches on this too, etc. The "deflation is bad" meme is still alive in modern economic discourse and thus is worth countering, but I think in the bitcoin spectrum of communities, people get that deflation is fine and good.

My answer to the question was in two parts.

The first part was technological determinism. In other words, if we were to re-run humanity multiple times, there are certain rare accidents that might not replicate, and other commonalities that probably would. Much like steam engines, internal combustion engines, electricity, and nuclear power, I think a decentralized network of money is something we would eventually come across. In our case, Bitcoin came into existence as soon as the bandwidth and encryption tech allowed it to. In other universes or simulations it might look a bit different (e.g. might not be 21 million or ten minute block times exactly), but I think decentralized real-time settlement would become apparent as readily as electricity does, for any civilization that reaches this point. So ethics aside, it just is what it is. It exists, and thus we must deal with it.

The second part was that in my view, transparency and individual empowerment is rarely a bad thing. Half of the world is autocratic. And half of the world (not quite the same half) deals with massive structural inflation. A decentralized spreadsheet that allows individuals to store and send value can't possibly be a bad thing, unless humanity itself is totally corrupted. I then went into more detail with examples about historical war financing, and all sorts of tangible stuff. In other words, a whole chapter full of stuff. I've addressed this in some articles to.

In your view, if you had to steelman the argument as best as you could, what are the scenarios where bitcoin is *BAD* for humanity rather than good for it, on net?

A black swan event could also lead to some pretty terrifying social unrest. That’s probably the scariest thing to me.

Replying to Avatar Lyn Alden

I spoke at a big bitcoin-adjacent company this week and one of the best questions was from someone who asked what the downsides of bitcoin adoption might be.

I always do appreciate these steelman questions, the skeptical questions, the ones where we challenge ourselves. Only when we can answer those types of questions do we understand the concept that we are promoting.

So the classic example is that in modern economic literature, "deflation is bad". This, however, is only the case in a highly indebted system. Normally, deflation is good. Money appreciates, technology improves, and goods and services get cheaper over time as they should. Price of Tomorrow covers this well. My book touches on this too, etc. The "deflation is bad" meme is still alive in modern economic discourse and thus is worth countering, but I think in the bitcoin spectrum of communities, people get that deflation is fine and good.

My answer to the question was in two parts.

The first part was technological determinism. In other words, if we were to re-run humanity multiple times, there are certain rare accidents that might not replicate, and other commonalities that probably would. Much like steam engines, internal combustion engines, electricity, and nuclear power, I think a decentralized network of money is something we would eventually come across. In our case, Bitcoin came into existence as soon as the bandwidth and encryption tech allowed it to. In other universes or simulations it might look a bit different (e.g. might not be 21 million or ten minute block times exactly), but I think decentralized real-time settlement would become apparent as readily as electricity does, for any civilization that reaches this point. So ethics aside, it just is what it is. It exists, and thus we must deal with it.

The second part was that in my view, transparency and individual empowerment is rarely a bad thing. Half of the world is autocratic. And half of the world (not quite the same half) deals with massive structural inflation. A decentralized spreadsheet that allows individuals to store and send value can't possibly be a bad thing, unless humanity itself is totally corrupted. I then went into more detail with examples about historical war financing, and all sorts of tangible stuff. In other words, a whole chapter full of stuff. I've addressed this in some articles to.

In your view, if you had to steelman the argument as best as you could, what are the scenarios where bitcoin is *BAD* for humanity rather than good for it, on net?

Bitcoin “could be bad” in the sense that a large percentage of the population, if not most, won’t understand how to securely hold their keys because of how foreign the concept is, and will either lose or get scammed out of their money. As simple as “don’t ever give away your private key” is, it’s new and unknown to so many people, and they’re not going to know who to listen to. People will passphrase protect their wallets thinking that’s something they can reset or recover. People will get phished. It will be a brutal transition for a lot of people, and there will be too many cases for anyone to do anything about it.

If you want privacy, get off the internet. It doesn’t exist here.

Trying to think through what it would take to have a version of nostr that restricts post visibility to people you approve. So basically early facebook, probably plus signal group chat.

Seems reasonably feasible?

SEC tells coinbase to delist every crypto except for bitcoin.

I’m not sure how, or if, that should be used in conversations with new bitcoiners.

On the one hand, I’m really glad they’re getting that right, but on the other hand, I wouldn’t care if they told coinbase to delist bitcoin as well. I mean - that’d be bad - people need easy ways to buy bitcoin, and I’m worried that eventually the US government is going to make that really difficult.

It’s nice that they’re helping the separation of money and state for now, but I’m anticipating that to come to a hard stop at some point.

So like, great that we’re moving in the right direction for now, but we need to stay mentally prepared for the war ahead.

Nah. That’s the crypto version of handing out gospel tracts. Good way to throw away bitcoin. People gotta come into a legitimate understanding.

Yep, that’s the one I’m sticking with. Quintessential argument against shitcoins:

You can’t turn money into an app.