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Worst episode they ever did 🧨

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Some clients like amethyst have private zaps, but then you don't get to brag about em'

Does look pretty clean 🙏

You wouldn't shame for custodial likes, wdyou? Sovereign likes from my umbrella 🏖️😁

That's what I'm saying is blastr fixes it for me.. cause my old events flying around on relays I don't even use (cause they got propagated outside of my actions)

No it's not it's just bigger crabs 🦀

Cool, yeah just bringing it up because it sounded like clients were trying to implement gossip and I'm trying to understand the meanings of the 3rd field in the 10002 and why it seems so sparse compared to the various UIs. If I was implementing a client, I'd want to know ALL the current settings from the gossip UI itself, "read, write, inbox, outbox, discover" and I was thinking "paid", "auth" are worthy of having in the field somehow in addition like "inbox-paid" or "inbox-auth" (DMs) that it might be good to think about now before everyone runs off and attempts to implement gossip in their client. Thanks for listening. Carry on. 🫡

just brainstorming here, like say i want to set just one inbox, to a relay i trust like nostr.wine. In the gossip settings it says for "inbox" that relays shouldn't require payment. The reason for this I think is simply that it's confusing for gossip clients, they don't know your inbox is paid. Maybe gossip can have an ["r", "wss://nostr.wine", "inbox-paid"] field or something like this? What is the downside of making paid a first class citizen? Would it not be easier to do that sooner, than having clients do multiple queries fired off to nip11 endpoint or nah?

It will discover your follow list. Are you compiling gossip? I recommend running master branch.. the onboarding flow is much better than in the past. But still, even in old versions, all you should need is to setup the relay(s) and *maybe quit and restart to kick it into connecting (new version doesn't require this).

a better example is, say i only want people to inbox me on nostr.wine. This is already a relay many pay for, and many should pay for. They protect the DMs with nip42, and they're solid. But if i set this as my only inbox, clients will just get silently rejected.

Right, there is resistence to paid relays for some reason but I can only see it coming from the client side.. saying "relays can protect against spam" but without lightning it doesn't work. Doing it how? Paid is the only way to fend off multi-key bots.

For example, on NYE, a bot filled my entire relay, commenting to everyone Happy New Year, while the japan earthquake was in full force. Many japanese left my relay that day, and that's why I went to paid model. I was sick of these targeted attacks and lightning is the only way to prevent them. IP limits don't work, rate limiting doesn't work, spending tons of time coding detection is just an arms race and the bots always find a way to get through while regular users get penalty. The bots won't get through lightning verification though it will exhaust their funding even in small amounts.

what if it was just a one time payment tho, just like a relay membership to your inbox for 21 sats? I'd gladly pay some sats to be able to tag you or any large account (like jack, fiatjaf, will etc) if I thought it would increase them seeing my message. It's hard to imagine I know, most of us are not that big and don't mind the free spam. But, what if they do? How many GM fiatjafs are you willing to have, when someone writes a GM fiatjaf bot and cuts it loose on you and comments on every one of your notes? Already happens in anything jack posts, I am amazed he even manages to read or respond to anything at all.

And to add to this, it's not like EVERYONE has to pay either, you can easily bootstrap the relay with your follows list, and add to it from the secondary when you want to clear someone.. it's mostly for the out-of-the-blue messages, that are still nice to have, but with someone proving they care enough to make a quick lightning verification to @ you

Been thinking about inboxes for a while.. Trying to think of the perspective of a popular user who gets probably an overwhelming amount of inbox spam. So far all the gossip specs are missing something, they're missing the idea of paid relays. Paid relays, even for small amounts, think how nice this would be for popular users. Someone has to pay, to send to their inbox, send them a DM etc (even just a one time payment). This cuts malicious users/bots down at their kneecaps because it becomes possible to moderate your inbox. Without this, bots can just spin a million keys and destroy your nostr experience while laughing all the way to the bank (the bank that cost them nothing to use).

So, what I think needs to happen, is gossip spec should to expand to think more about the paid relay case, clients should make it clear to a user that the inbox for that user is paid, and help them do this, or point them at a secondary inbox (which is not checked that much because think about it, this is a common twitter problem too, big social media accounts don't even read their comments and they think this is a solution. Nostr can do better than this. Large accounts should not have to go into broadcast only mode or get constantly screwed by bots).

nostr:npub1acg6thl5psv62405rljzkj8spesceyfz2c32udakc2ak0dmvfeyse9p35c nostr:npub1l2vyh47mk2p0qlsku7hg0vn29faehy9hy34ygaclpn66ukqp3afqutajft nostr:npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z thoughts?

using blastr to send out your profile or relay list is like defragmenting your hard drive.. so much caching everywhere these days that stuff gets all wacky when clients depend on 'muh search relays'

ohh, gotcha. Yeah I need to think some more on this.. the rabbit hole always runs so deep with relay settings. I think what has to happen, is in the future, if you want to DM someone, you're gonna need to pay a small amount to their inbox relay. And then I can specify one (or two) inboxes. If you specify this, I'm wondering if it will say "inbox" in that field? Or because you also read from it, if it'll just be blank? 🤔

autozap depleted, that was awesome. Prob 100x more efficient than last time I used this. Way to go snort 🔥

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