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我现在把Nostr理解为更好的web,虽然Nostr 的出发点只是做一个去中心化的社交网络协议。因为Nostr内置了ID + 支付 + RSS,而且它的客户端是浏览器+编辑器二合一。这几个都是web想做却没能实现的。考虑到Nostr的其它应用,它也是一个更好的Internet 。

对过往之事不后悔,节省心力。

还要买挖掘机图案的衣服

小男孩天生是挖掘机神教的信徒吗?

感觉就是一个文本化的web,非常轻量,加载速度快。但是中文内容基本没有。

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Web browsers today serve 3 different use cases:

1. Viewing content produced by others.

2. Running complex programs locally and interact with a server -- or not -- only very lightly to receive or send inputs or outputs to or from these programs.

3. A mix of the two things above.

On category 1 we can include all text that exists on the internet, blogs, articles, news -- but also pictures, video, and even livestreamed video.

On category 2 we can put all "web apps" that talk to an API, like, for example, Google Sheets, Figma, Discord -- but also web-based Nostr clients.

On category 3 there are all the cool little appy things that mix interaction with content, interactive visualizations, comment boxes, and basically everything else.

It would be a good thing if browsers could be split into 3 different products instead of trying to make them be the best at these 3 different use cases.

The first category is much better served by a somewhat static content reader. Gemini is an attempt at that, but it is probably too limited for its desired purposes. Meanwhile Nostr -- and native Nostr clients, could very well fill in most of the spaces of category 1. Maybe that will end up happening. This exact same article is a step on that direction.

Category 2 apps would be much better if they were written as native desktop apps directly, and users were educated to learn how to download and install apps, instead of expecting everything to run in their browser. Experience shows that people do prefer a nice lean fast desktop app than its "web" counterpart, ![]() so for the small amount of apps that are expected to run mostly locally, this would be a no-brainer pick. It just needs a shift in the mentality.

Category 3 is the hardest one. Its existence is probably the root cause of the web having become what it is now, and it is also the hardest element to replace on the equation. I imagine that the solution will be a combination of the following:

1. To have people install a small VM specialized in running efficient bytecode, for example, WASM, and make it seriously well-sandboxed while at the same time giving it much better access to the desktop than current web apps have. This should serve as incentive for most of these micro-webapps to switch.

2. To standardize the ability to interact in standardized ways with mostly static content from inside native (Nostr?) apps designed for browsing these kinds of content -- so the solution to 1 encompasses part of 3 too.

去年尝试了gemini。

Gemini is a new internet protocol which:

Is heavier than gopher

Is lighter than the web

Will not replace either

Strives for maximum power to weight ratio

Takes user privacy very seriously

https://gemini.circumlunar.space

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Reflecting on Nostrica

Nostrica was the first nostr conference and it was full of enthusiasm as any first gathering of a community which has come together is. It reminded me of the first time the secure scuttlebutt community held its scuttlecamp or the first Ruby on Rails conference. A kind of geminal moment where a community which has existed only digitally gets together to meet in person.

I first heard about nostr when it was mentioned on scuttlebutt about a year ago, but I didn't pay a lot of attention. There are many social media protocols and new ones appear all the time. I keep a database of them and even did a lightning talk recently titled 101 social media protocols.

Nostr started to get more attention after Elon Musk took over twitter and the need for an alternate went from a heretical idea to something everybody could see. Elon gave it a boost by temporarily banning twitter bios containing nostr identifiers and links. Nostr was rough but ready enough for it because @jb55 had a decent working client for iOS in TestFlight.

Nostr is an updated secure scuttlebutt that was easier to work with and used multiple cloud services for content hosting and syncing as opposed to being a local / offline first protocol. Nostr has functionally very similar to several other decentralized social media protocols like forecaster, lens, chatternet, and bluesky's at_protocol.

With one key exception:

> Nostr is created in the open with small pieces loosely joined coordinated with rough consensus and running code.

> Nostr isn't the best at anything, or even good, it's a messy chaos that works.

Nostr is like the open web, javascript, html, php, rss, asterisk, linux. Where as farcaster, lens, and bluesky are created by a closed team that has specialized knowledge and the only people who can participate in a fundamental way are the employees of those companies or a few trusted and vetted outside contributors. The other protocols are culturally more like java, xml, android, and the chrome browser. The code is released under an open license, but it's not being developed by an open community. Nostr, like the fundamental tech which has transformed the web from an academic project to digital everything, is a permission less open commons.

Secure Scuttlebutt has the same chaotic and vital openness as nostr. I've been working building secure scuttlebutt applications and the protocol for the last 4 years. The community's core is built around solarpunk values, the idea that the future is bright, sustainable, and coordinated with autonomous and communitarian values. Think hackers meet permaculture.

What about the bitcoin?

There are a lot of nostr early adopters who are enthusiastic about bitcoin, they're true believers. But nostr doesn't use bitcoin, it has no token or cryptocurrency, there is no blockchain in nostr, no mining, no minting. There is the ability to link to a version of bitcoin micro-payments through their lightning payments, but that's possible in mastodon and twitter as well.

To me the biggest worry was what kind of culture the bitcoiners would create, and how their values would be embedded in to the technology. In my experience, the bitcoin community is more socially right wing than people involved in cryptocurrencies as a whole, somewhere to the right of Ron Paul. As a leftist anarchist, this poses a problem.

I think there's space for a multitude in nostr. The space is innovating very quickly and lots of things are being tried. I'm excited for the future.

是否开源已经不是关键区别了,因为开源已经成为新出现协议的标配。

协议的开发模式才是差别所在。大教堂vs集市

我下注Nostr赢。

“Nostr 就像开放的web、JavaScript、HTML、PHP、RSS、Asterisk 和 Linux 等。而 Farcaster、Lens 和 Bluesky 是由一个封闭团队创建的,这些团队具有专业知识,只有公司员工或少数经过信任和审查的外部贡献者才能以基本方式参与。其他协议在文化上更像是 Java、XML、Android 和 Chrome 浏览器。代码在开放许可下发布,但并非由开放社区开发。Nostr就像将web从学术项目转变为数字化一切的基础技术,是一个无需许可的开放公共领域。”

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可以做成一件不错事情的感觉越来越清晰,开心一刻。

“羡慕自己”好像是一个几乎没人会用的搭配。

你实现了nip-38还是nip-48呢?

可能是天津人,女性不论大小都是姐姐

非常难得的好天气