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Reflecting on Nostrica

Nostrica was the first nostr conference and it was full of enthusiasm as any first gathering of a community which has come together is. It reminded me of the first time the secure scuttlebutt community held its scuttlecamp or the first Ruby on Rails conference. A kind of geminal moment where a community which has existed only digitally gets together to meet in person.

I first heard about nostr when it was mentioned on scuttlebutt about a year ago, but I didn't pay a lot of attention. There are many social media protocols and new ones appear all the time. I keep a database of them and even did a lightning talk recently titled 101 social media protocols.

Nostr started to get more attention after Elon Musk took over twitter and the need for an alternate went from a heretical idea to something everybody could see. Elon gave it a boost by temporarily banning twitter bios containing nostr identifiers and links. Nostr was rough but ready enough for it because @jb55 had a decent working client for iOS in TestFlight.

Nostr is an updated secure scuttlebutt that was easier to work with and used multiple cloud services for content hosting and syncing as opposed to being a local / offline first protocol. Nostr has functionally very similar to several other decentralized social media protocols like forecaster, lens, chatternet, and bluesky's at_protocol.

With one key exception:

> Nostr is created in the open with small pieces loosely joined coordinated with rough consensus and running code.

> Nostr isn't the best at anything, or even good, it's a messy chaos that works.

Nostr is like the open web, javascript, html, php, rss, asterisk, linux. Where as farcaster, lens, and bluesky are created by a closed team that has specialized knowledge and the only people who can participate in a fundamental way are the employees of those companies or a few trusted and vetted outside contributors. The other protocols are culturally more like java, xml, android, and the chrome browser. The code is released under an open license, but it's not being developed by an open community. Nostr, like the fundamental tech which has transformed the web from an academic project to digital everything, is a permission less open commons.

Secure Scuttlebutt has the same chaotic and vital openness as nostr. I've been working building secure scuttlebutt applications and the protocol for the last 4 years. The community's core is built around solarpunk values, the idea that the future is bright, sustainable, and coordinated with autonomous and communitarian values. Think hackers meet permaculture.

What about the bitcoin?

There are a lot of nostr early adopters who are enthusiastic about bitcoin, they're true believers. But nostr doesn't use bitcoin, it has no token or cryptocurrency, there is no blockchain in nostr, no mining, no minting. There is the ability to link to a version of bitcoin micro-payments through their lightning payments, but that's possible in mastodon and twitter as well.

To me the biggest worry was what kind of culture the bitcoiners would create, and how their values would be embedded in to the technology. In my experience, the bitcoin community is more socially right wing than people involved in cryptocurrencies as a whole, somewhere to the right of Ron Paul. As a leftist anarchist, this poses a problem.

I think there's space for a multitude in nostr. The space is innovating very quickly and lots of things are being tried. I'm excited for the future.

是否开源已经不是关键区别了,因为开源已经成为新出现协议的标配。

协议的开发模式才是差别所在。大教堂vs集市

我下注Nostr赢。

“Nostr 就像开放的web、JavaScript、HTML、PHP、RSS、Asterisk 和 Linux 等。而 Farcaster、Lens 和 Bluesky 是由一个封闭团队创建的,这些团队具有专业知识,只有公司员工或少数经过信任和审查的外部贡献者才能以基本方式参与。其他协议在文化上更像是 Java、XML、Android 和 Chrome 浏览器。代码在开放许可下发布,但并非由开放社区开发。Nostr就像将web从学术项目转变为数字化一切的基础技术,是一个无需许可的开放公共领域。”

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有一个重要原因,nostr不会有先发优势,先来后到和是否受欢迎无关。这对新人就很友好。

说实话我特别讨厌chromium内核的浏览器,这是我一直坚持使用Firefox的原因,尽管很多dev跟我吐槽Firefox对开发者并不友好,没有像chromium那么好上手

但底层文化上,确实我更喜欢nostr、Firefox、tor之类的东西

尤其 rabble 还是从 ssb 过来的,这就很有意思了。所谓的“开发者社区”有时候是一种很难描述的标准。他里面用到的一句话“Nostr is created in the open with small pieces loosely joined coordinated with rough consensus and running code”是一个比较好的标准,可能有的人不知道,rough consensus and running code 也是当初 tcp/ip 协议制定那群人的一个口号。

Rabble 之前在的公司开发了twitter ,Jack就是他招进twitter 的。

Rabble好像也尝试过在ethereum和IPFS上做事情。