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In principle, no.

Hear me out: ephemeral Nostr key pairs. nostr:note14hjup9vpvxuqd53htx7amgyyv2wu3c6qt5cfdea4s9k8ne9cry8qp9eu7f

My only concern is how to manage the bots once/if the original account decides to join the Nostr.

Maybe the bots should have a shelf life and every X time they... die? Is that even possible?

This opens the Pandora box of account ownership and human verification and so many other important conversations, really... nostr:note1499pv60gr9eh48acg20ufq2pq6kqvttcaaaq96g5v9elqq7a9fxqxhmzh3

No need, just repost :*

From my parent note:

Stuff like asking people to pick tags when they create the account and

whatnot, is not useful *yet* because the content simply does not exist.

What's the point of me picking a bunch of tags that deeply interest me

like "linguistics", "Catalonia", "seafood", "knives"... if there's

nothing or nearly nothing about any of them -- yet? In the future, yes.

But right now it's not worth wasting time on this.

So 90% of the users who are lurkers will never benefit from it...

I think the whole "value for value" economy concept **as a way for free-access content creators to make a living (and I include devs here)** is completely flawed because it fails to recognize the most basic principles of human action incentives related to what is basically free content.

Trying to onboard free-access content creators based on zaps is delusional. It will never work because it's economically irrational. Subscription/paywall content, yes, I think it's perfect. And that's the only actual Nostr-Bitcoin symbiosis I can see.

At least we can say it's Proof of Work. They lead by putting in the hours to make the Nostr happen. So I'm fine with that. And also, because I have no obligation whatsoever to conforming to their ideas or opinions.

I have said this many times here: anything "social media" is not a need. I can do without and simply turn it off if/when I stop liking it or I come to disagree with what's happening, like I did many (in internet terms) years ago now with FB, then with Twitter, long before the Nostr even existed. Both of which I was among the earliest adopters and a heavy user for years.

When I start to see relay-level censhorship and "content moderation", or hardcoded into the clients, I will simply stop using it because those are absolute dealbreakers for me. Nothing dramatic, though.

Yes, I thought about it, but you're going to put up with Bitcoin right now. There's no way around it unless we somehow bring the content in automatically, e.g., the aforementioned bots/mirrors.

Agreed. Not only that, but anything Bitcoin-related it clearly repulses a huge chunk of potential users. That's the reality of it, and it may be a deal breaker for many of the Nostr leader devs, in the sense that they may have to make a decision to simply give up and ignore the anti-bitcoin segment of the market.

Because the top Nostr people seem to be extremely preoccupied that we are not onboarding Twitter users. I'm fine without. Just giving them an answer to their question.

Since you'll get more exposure:

My complete onboarding solution pack would be:

1. Upon account creation, automatically follow 1500 random accounts. You can have a button in the client that says "Follow 1500 random people". Then, start curating your feed if you don't like what you got.

2. The most useful feature I found when I first got on: "FOLLOW ALL" button when checking Jack's follow account, and subsequent few accounts. In ten minutes I was following over 1700 people and had a populated, lively feed.

3. The aforementioned mirrors/bots

4. Automatic relay management, configurable later on as the user gets more knowledgeable.

Stuff like asking people to pick tags when they create the account and whatnot, is not useful *yet* because the content simply does not exist. What's the point of me picking a bunch of tags that deeply interest me like "linguistics", "Catalonia", "seafood", "knives"... if there's nothing or nearly nothing about any of them -- yet? In the future, yes. But right now it's not worth wasting time on this.

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Even with all the above, we all know that the UX is, at best, wonky. In my opinion, it's just not normie-ready yet, and expecting to have "normal" UX retention rates is delusional. A shortlist, and I'm only talking about "social" clients:

Devs haven't even sorted out a single common way to

quote events. Some use "@", some "nostr:", some nothing... It's a

shitshow, for being a "protocol".

Embedded content display is not smooth and varies greatly between clients, especially video. The system to embed content is not coherent among clients.

Clients not only don't talk to each other - they nuke each other. The fact that we advertise "one single account" for all apps. Yet, the simple act of logging on through another client may cause you to lose: 1. your follows list, 2. your relays, 3. your own fucking notes. Kind of bums people out...

Right now I have to switch between Damus and Coracle to write this because the some notifications and notes are missing from each other.

Search is terrible, when it even exists. Clients like Damus don't even try.

The list of UX-related stuff is really very long, and I'm not one of those who bitch about silly shit like "oh, it doesn't scroll up and down smoothly". But in any case, as I said before, the main and most pressing problem is simply populating one's feed.

You want to solve the top three problems?

Create bots that mirror the most followed accounts on X, Instagram, etc. I'm sure it's not a very long list before you have covered 80% of all the follower accounts. nostr:note1dm3c78aamsqpfjvnytma6l5xm33cwhw7uqfls3aeh52sxm7mjrvql3ytpc

The top three:

1. Lack of content

2. Lack of content

3. Lack of content

And as a subset of that:

Lack of people to follow/difficulty to find people to follow.

We keep beating the same dead horse and having these byzantine discussions, when it's perfectly known.

And I'm not even going to go about how literally none of my friends and family will get on even if the content is there, being 99% English only. nostr:note10vxepuvh8ksuagvxep0m6zdnunj9tnjdgw9kpg73lx4tc95pgx8sell6ep