Nostr will question the legitimacy of everything.

Please no. Spammers have large amounts of more CPU available to do PoW. Consider a remote controlled botnet army.

Spammers have a massive advantage over ordinary honest users to do PoW. So ultimately you gain not much at the expense of draining the user's battery.

IMO there is opportunity in expanding social web of trust spam filtering. By following someone that means you trust their opinion. More of your friends reporting the same thing means you probably don't want to see it. Perhaps extend this social filtering model beyond per-post to affect entire accounts. I don't have a full plan here. This requires design thinking.

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Please no. Spammers have large amounts of more CPU available to do PoW. Consider a remote controlled botnet army.

Spammers have a massive advantage over ordinary honest users to do PoW. So ultimately you gain not much at the expense of draining the user's battery.

IMO there is opportunity in expanding social web of trust spam filtering. By following someone that means you trust their opinion. More of your friends reporting the same thing means you probably don't want to see it. Perhaps extend this social filtering model beyond per-post to affect entire accounts. I don't have a full plan here. This requires design thinking.

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Been saying that for a while.

The problem isn’t just that people have to pay — but that proof of payment means nothing.

Choosing to display only messages to paid relays means giving these relays all the power to choose what you see.

Adding PoW wouldn’t magically solve it either (though would make it much better).

Unless you used a proper commitment structure to detect missing PoW, it would still allow for censorship— but at least you would only have trust that all the relays you’re connected to aren’t censoring.

With “just paid relays” you also have to trust the relays not to spam you.

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There seems to be some dismissal of PoW as a part of Nostr resisting spam which is very disruptive to the ability for hobbyist users to run relays or for users to enjoy an experience using Nostr to meet people. I'm quite disappointed that PoW has basically been ignored even as one of the earlier NIPS proposed.

Paid-Only relays create walled gardens which harms the user experience. We need to maintain an open global protocol and spam is still a problem if we don't wall ourselves off in paid and divided gardens. It seems to be that we're hoping public relay operators and clients are going to implement filtering that is invisible to users and done by policy that is undeclared, taking on the same role of the institutions we're fleeing from, Twitter and Facebook, etc.

Proof of Work is not about who has the resources. Spammers do have plenty of resources, the important bit is cost to rewards. Bot nets have an economic value., and other means of monetization and all Proof of Work has to do is ensure that a bot net is better used doing something else. Users don't have to outcompete a bot net, they just have to make it cost more than it could earn doing something else.

Please keep Nostr open and free and implement PoW at the relays and the clients.

Thanks

How do you expect mobile users to utilize PoW? If the answer is Delegated PoW, even that involves payment.

the only way to make social media a force for good is to leave behind the companies that are running them

This castle is for sale right outside of New Orleans if anyone is interested

It’s nice

I don’t mean to give him a free pass, but he did apologize and acknowledge it was his fault. Not sure what else we can expect him

to do at this point.

Yeah it was and still is a pit of vipers. Jack seems like a cool dude who meant well, I view it as a the largest cautionary tale of all time at this point.

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They can’t be used as proof of payments for 3rd parties.

AFAICT you decide who you trust to sign zaps to you, and considering you can check your sats in your wallet, there’s not a lot more to prove.

But if you’re thinking of proving to someone you sent a payment to someone else — then I think it can’t be done.

You could in theory have both sender and receiver sign a receipt— but whether funds were moved or not can only be proved on chain.