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Some of my thoughts on the recent DRIVECHAIN topic..

What do you think the odds are that all these recent efforts to push additional assets into the L1 #Bitcoin chain such as taro, ordinals, inscriptions, and now #drivechains could just be attempts by the #tradfi regime to break the #Bitcoin miners economic Game Theory relating to the block reward and turn layer 1 bitcoin into a fiat printer? To me this seems probable as they likely need to figure out a way to sustain their mining operation investments without dumping piles of external cash into them should the block reward fall below the cost of production of the #Bitcoin reward in fiat terms (as we're still stuck in a fiat world) since most of these folks do not possess money printers directly. So rather than letting their miners go broke trying to keep the fiat price down and fund the operations by selling the Bitcoin for fiat, they can just create a bunch of BS tokens and junk in the blockchain that they can trade for fiat currency instead.

This would allow #tradfi more time to strategically position themselves and infiltrate key #bitcoin industry players (and influencers) before #Hyperbitcoinization and would also allow them to wait out some of the hodlers who will not be willing to take their Bitcoins to their graves in hopes that they would sell them back to them so they can control a Fiat price even longer.

Since I truly believe that they can't incentivize a lot of us hardcore Bitcoin mindset folks to sell for their Fiat currency, the thought by #tradfi is apparently that they will instead attempt to control a lot of the infrastructure for the future Hyperbitcoinization world or a world that they think they may have a chance at influencing the protocol development in some roundabout way to their benefit ( which I don't see plausible as I think we will see right through it all).

So far here's some main red flags I see from a self sovereignty #bitcoin maximalist perspective who's goal is to push self custody #bitcoin and has hopes for the separation of (all) states from currency:

- The largest #tradfi players snapping investments in the top big players in the #bitcoin mining space (Blackrock, Fidelity, etc.)

- The same #tradfi players + are all tripping over each other begging the SEC to green light spot ETFs as to be able to create even more paper Bitcoin. - This simultaneously attempts to get Main St to normalize counterparty risk in Bitcoin via #tradfi by investing and accepting their ETFs in lieu of Self custody BTC.

IMO these activities are all part of their goal of attempting to keep the bitcoin price in USD suppressed as long as possible and to do that they need to break the bitcoin economic game theory incentives built into bitcoin where miners are only rewarded with 21MM #btc and TX fees and make fiat other ways with their miners such as by adding #ordinals, #insciptions and are now seemingly trying to push for drivechains to get 💩 tokens in L1.

By breaking the #btc miners economic game theory with just the block reward (but now with ordinals, inscriptions, and if they have their way soon too be DRIVECHAIN bs tokens) they're hoping the price in fiat can be suppressed even longer while allowing them the ability to generate enough fiat currency stuff contained to fund their operations and more time to control even more of the miners and simultaneously hoping to wait out as many HODLers as possible in the hopes that eventually some will sell their #bitcoin and thus they can scoop it up for a relatively cheap amount of fiat which would allow them to control the fiat value of the #btc longer and in turn which would keep the fiat machine alive longer and hence the monopoly of currency in the governments hands.

Fortunately we can reject their plans of attacking the bitcoin miners economic incentive mechanism by not voting for their version of #bitcoin and running our own nodes. That said however I would not sell any of their forks that may happen as they'll likely scoop those up too and actually may drive the public perception that their chain is the true #btc as they drive it's fiat price up as to keep mainstream away from the ideals of the original #bitcoin ( decentralized, irreversible, confiscation resistant, separating money from state, no counterparty risk etc).

However the next few years play out it's going to be a very bumpy road and I am not selling any of my forks no matter how much Fiat they offer and will certainly never vote for anything that deviates from the original economic incentives that the miners have with the block reward.

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It’s true that #tradefi is seeking to gain influence over the #Bitcoin network but I don’t get the reasoning to say that #drivechain are instrumental to this dynamic.

Tradefi doesn’t need #Bip300 to create BS tokens. They can already launch other blockchains or smart contrats to print tokens and attempt to sell them for fiat. Drivechains won’t make it better or easier for them to do so.

#Bitcoin #BTC

I think an ad model could work if users are segmented based on their interests. What you say on #nostr can tell a lot to advertisers (although it would be for niche advertisers to start) and it wouldn’t require to gather more info than the info already publicly available.

Many folks here are not going to like the idea but I also think that a #crypto on Nostr that would be distributed to #relay owners and would be bought and burnt by advertisers to run ads could be a sound crypto-economic model for Nostr.

Maybe it could be built on a #drivechain?

More than 2/3 of the #relay I was connected to yesterday are down after replying to the thread below. Is this mere coincidence? How is it possible that I can’t connect to all these relays all the sudden? #Nostr #asknostr #ccp #censorship nostr:note1cydxwdagqg9qq94hhyfdw5qcz9tgvvj60m076y695hwwz4c672ls3wju8p

Have you tried #Idena?

The mechanism of Sybil resistance is #ProofOfPersonhood. Solve a series of AI-resistant puzzles every two weeks to prove you’re a human and you can mine with a simple laptop or VPS. No extra consumption of electricity needed.

Let me know if you want an invite.

#idna #crypto #blockchain #mining

https://scan.idena.io/

It seems in the miners’ interests to overwhelmingly support #Bip300 as the activity on #drivechain will generate additional revenue for them.

However, could we see a scenario where a substantial share of the hashpower would not support Bip 300?

This scenario may play out if some large mining farms are institutionally owned. I think governments wouldn’t want to see drivechain on the #Bitcoin network because those could confer more #privacy to #BTC holders.

Hence, those government-control farms may attempt to fork the network to push away the threat that drivechains represent while « stealing » the Bitcoin brand. It’s not difficult to imagine which side #BlackRock would support…

Here is how I would counter these arguments:

(2) Fragmentation of liquidity will happen regardless of whether #drivechain are implemented or not. Actually it has already happened with other #crypto #blockchain syphoning liquidity from #Bitcoin. Even for #BTC maxis, it would be preferable for this liquidity to remain within the Bitcoin ecosystem. To stop liquidity fragmentation, you’ll need to stop innovation in the crypto industry which can’t be done.

(3) Although it may help authorities to make the case to further regulate Bitcoin. Authorities will make a case for more Bitcoin regulations whether or not they can use drivechain to support their narrative. The narrative may be less compelling but no one can stop governmental propaganda and that shouldn’t refrain bitcoiners from innovating.

(4) Some valid point have already been made

(1) I really don’t have a strong argument against this one if not that the damage to the Bitcoin brand would be due to a lack of understanding on how drivechains work but brand perception is all subjective. It won’t be the first time the Bitcoin brand will be under attack and it won’t be the last. Education is a perpetual battle.

#Bip300

Here is how I would counter these arguments:

(2) Fragmentation of liquidity will happen regardless of whether #drivechain are implemented or not. Actually it has already happened with other #crypto #blockchain syphoning liquidity from #Bitcoin. Even for #BTC maxis, it would be preferable for this liquidity to remain within the Bitcoin ecosystem. To stop liquidity fragmentation, you’ll need to stop innovation in the crypto industry which can’t be done.

(3) Although it may help authorities to make the case to further regulate Bitcoin. Authorities will make a case for more Bitcoin regulations whether or not they can use drivechain to support their narrative. The narrative may be less compelling but no one can stop governmental propaganda and that shouldn’t refrain bitcoiners from innovating.

(4) Some valid point have already been made

(1) I really don’t have a strong argument against this one if not that the damage to the Bitcoin brand would be due to a lack of understanding on how drivechains work but brand perception is all subjective. It won’t be the first time the Bitcoin brand will be under attack and it won’t be the last. Education is a perpetual battle.

#Bip300

(1) Right but if #drivechain aren’t implemented, nothing bad will happen to them which keeps the #Bitcoin brand safe from any backlash. I think this argument still stands.

(2) I don’t see how you’re addressing the argument here. #BTC is the most liquid #crypto to date. A better crypto on a drivechain could reduce new liquidity and fragment existing liquidity for BTC.

(3) This argument is related to (1) as something bad happening on a drivechain could be spark needed for governments to push the narrative that Bitcoin needs more regulations (because it is not as decentralized as initially thought or it allows money laundering through a private drivechain).

(4) It seems like a strong counter-argument.

#Bip300 #Blockchain

The case I could see for authorities and #chainanalysis surveillance companies to want to block #BIP300:

1) #Drivechain could enable stronger #privacy for #Bitcoin. #BTC holders could anonymized their coins BTC -> private drivechain -> BTC without relying on a third-party.

2) Drivechains could enable a cash-like token with fast confirmation times that could better compete against fiat.

#Blockchain #Crypto

The arguments I can see against #BIP300 so far:

1) #Drivechain will strongly be associated with the #Bitcoin brand. Something bad happening in a drivechain (hack, scam) would reflect poorly on the #BTC brand.

2) Drivechains could siphon liquidity from the base layer. A drivechain’s token may attract more liquidity than BTC.

3) Drivechains could introduce regulatory risks. If a drivechain isn’t decentralized or is deemed non-compliant, it could help authorities to make the case for regulating Bitcoin.

4) Drivechains haven’t been properly reviewed and tested yet. There is no rush to deploy them.

#Blockchain #Crypto

To those opposed to #Bip300, what do you fear to lose if #drivechain were to be implemented on #Bitcoin?

Drivechains are optional. If you don’t use them, what could you lose or risk to lose? #BTC

This argument was refuted here: note16fuf5644r9tj8ts4m89kf0qmaefvrgz3sdm9aeaqvkttu25pmdqqc59z2n

What would be your response to explain that miners can steal funds?

The #TravelRule is being implemented on UK #crypto exchanges. It forces exchanges users to provide the identity for inbound and outbound crypto transfers. Soon, on-ramp and off-ramp crypto to #fiat will be 100% #KYC. Implications will be that your non-KYC #Bitcoin may be deanonymized by the receiver if the receiving address is linked to an exchange. #BTC #Privacy #Monero #XMR https://www.forbes.com/sites/martinrivers/2023/08/31/not-your-bitcoin-uk-crypto-firms-will-now-be-forced-to-seize-some-inbound-payments/

It takes some time to get value out of #nostr because most known accounts from other social platforms aren’t active on Nostr. But once you’ve built a solid list of new #plebs to follow, you realize that social media doesn’t have to be a waste of time. The quality of content here is so much higher.