Some of my thoughts on the recent DRIVECHAIN topic..

What do you think the odds are that all these recent efforts to push additional assets into the L1 #Bitcoin chain such as taro, ordinals, inscriptions, and now #drivechains could just be attempts by the #tradfi regime to break the #Bitcoin miners economic Game Theory relating to the block reward and turn layer 1 bitcoin into a fiat printer? To me this seems probable as they likely need to figure out a way to sustain their mining operation investments without dumping piles of external cash into them should the block reward fall below the cost of production of the #Bitcoin reward in fiat terms (as we're still stuck in a fiat world) since most of these folks do not possess money printers directly. So rather than letting their miners go broke trying to keep the fiat price down and fund the operations by selling the Bitcoin for fiat, they can just create a bunch of BS tokens and junk in the blockchain that they can trade for fiat currency instead.

This would allow #tradfi more time to strategically position themselves and infiltrate key #bitcoin industry players (and influencers) before #Hyperbitcoinization and would also allow them to wait out some of the hodlers who will not be willing to take their Bitcoins to their graves in hopes that they would sell them back to them so they can control a Fiat price even longer.

Since I truly believe that they can't incentivize a lot of us hardcore Bitcoin mindset folks to sell for their Fiat currency, the thought by #tradfi is apparently that they will instead attempt to control a lot of the infrastructure for the future Hyperbitcoinization world or a world that they think they may have a chance at influencing the protocol development in some roundabout way to their benefit ( which I don't see plausible as I think we will see right through it all).

So far here's some main red flags I see from a self sovereignty #bitcoin maximalist perspective who's goal is to push self custody #bitcoin and has hopes for the separation of (all) states from currency:

- The largest #tradfi players snapping investments in the top big players in the #bitcoin mining space (Blackrock, Fidelity, etc.)

- The same #tradfi players + are all tripping over each other begging the SEC to green light spot ETFs as to be able to create even more paper Bitcoin. - This simultaneously attempts to get Main St to normalize counterparty risk in Bitcoin via #tradfi by investing and accepting their ETFs in lieu of Self custody BTC.

IMO these activities are all part of their goal of attempting to keep the bitcoin price in USD suppressed as long as possible and to do that they need to break the bitcoin economic game theory incentives built into bitcoin where miners are only rewarded with 21MM #btc and TX fees and make fiat other ways with their miners such as by adding #ordinals, #insciptions and are now seemingly trying to push for drivechains to get 💩 tokens in L1.

By breaking the #btc miners economic game theory with just the block reward (but now with ordinals, inscriptions, and if they have their way soon too be DRIVECHAIN bs tokens) they're hoping the price in fiat can be suppressed even longer while allowing them the ability to generate enough fiat currency stuff contained to fund their operations and more time to control even more of the miners and simultaneously hoping to wait out as many HODLers as possible in the hopes that eventually some will sell their #bitcoin and thus they can scoop it up for a relatively cheap amount of fiat which would allow them to control the fiat value of the #btc longer and in turn which would keep the fiat machine alive longer and hence the monopoly of currency in the governments hands.

Fortunately we can reject their plans of attacking the bitcoin miners economic incentive mechanism by not voting for their version of #bitcoin and running our own nodes. That said however I would not sell any of their forks that may happen as they'll likely scoop those up too and actually may drive the public perception that their chain is the true #btc as they drive it's fiat price up as to keep mainstream away from the ideals of the original #bitcoin ( decentralized, irreversible, confiscation resistant, separating money from state, no counterparty risk etc).

However the next few years play out it's going to be a very bumpy road and I am not selling any of my forks no matter how much Fiat they offer and will certainly never vote for anything that deviates from the original economic incentives that the miners have with the block reward.

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Bip300 is not trying to put new assets on L1

Thank you for the clarification however regardless of whether or not they're technically on the main chain or not, the point still stands if it would enable modification of the #Bitcoin miners incentive structure away from them purely producing #bitcoin for their profit targets.

No it would not. You are wrong about the very first thing you state about bip300 yet persist in your position , why ?

This is not a matter of opinion or feeling its a technical fact or fiction. This isn't about good bitcoin vibes and community and memeing. This is about money.

The base layer has changed many times since v1. This latest change will push future changes to L2 and end contentious forks. With bip 300 future changes can be adopted by those who want them. If yoy can't see how, yoy are not familoar with the technology enough to comment on it.

If you can, and simply want less choice, less freedom for people then that's fine, just be honest about being a despot.

Bip 300 is a minimal change, the change adds an op code and does not modify other codes, total bitcoin or anythingnelse. its the equivalent to adding a new item to a menu.

Show me, from the bip, in the code how it breaks bitcoin, or please shut up about it.

Look, I don't have to show you shit and you can fuck off if you don't want to engage. Outside of that the point that you clearly don't want to acknowledge is that #drivechains on #bitcoin change the financial incentives for the miners and that matters for the reasons I said in my original post!

If you disagree I really don't care and you can go fork off somewhere because I don't see this happening bro. Also I'd genuinely appreciate it if you went somewhere else to fuck off with your manipulative babble bullshit trying to get around the seriousness with this bip affecting the miners incentives 🖕

It does not. You don't even get the first thing right about it.

I completely disagree with you and think you are biased. But good luck with your alt coin fork.. If it ever materializes ✌️

Selling t-shirts and using excess heat to do something useful also changes the financial incentives for miners.

Yeah but that's nothing to do with the code so.. Kind of another thingy.

Just to say that miner incentives change for all kinds of reasons. The best way to keep miners honest is by making transaction fees the main incentive.

Drivechain actually helps a lot with this since it allows miners to earn transaction fees from sidechains through blind merged mining.

whoever told you drivechains made the miner incentives problem worse was either dumb or lying to you.

How does it not affect their invectives if it enables them to be able to extract additional fiat currency beyond what they could by the liquidation of the standard block reward they get today? The largest miners are already part of #tradfi and are publicly traded and they are all likely playing the Wall Street game of maximizing short term profits (mostly in fiat). If drivechains goes through and the 💩 coins start flowing then why would they even care if bitcoin's fiat price was lower since they'd be able to generate fiat from these drive chains? Once you throw in traditional finances seemingly hostile investments in said miners then you can start to see how this could become a slippery slope for keeping the fiat price of #btc suppressed even longer.. at least I do.

Block reward also benefits 51% attackers. The only incentive that keeps miners honest is transaction fees.

That's one reason drivechains are good: more transacruon fees for honest miners.

Thanks for the reply however it seems to me that the number 1 goal for #tradfi is to keep fiat currency as relavant as possible as long as possible and that only happens when the fiat price of #bitcoin is being suppressed as to not create worldwide fomo into #btc. Haven't you ever wondered how they can express #bitcoin that's truly finite with something infinite.. Especially when the amount of infinite units (dollars) to represent has some of the most positive developments in it's history with growing adoption are going down since November 2021? As I always say:

∞$/21 MM ₿ ≠ $

Yup, good point. Important to remeber who our real enemies are.

Also, drivechains are not for shitcoins. All merge mining fees are paid to miners in mainchain Bitcoin.

It’s true that #tradefi is seeking to gain influence over the #Bitcoin network but I don’t get the reasoning to say that #drivechain are instrumental to this dynamic.

Tradefi doesn’t need #Bip300 to create BS tokens. They can already launch other blockchains or smart contrats to print tokens and attempt to sell them for fiat. Drivechains won’t make it better or easier for them to do so.

#Bitcoin #BTC

I'm not trying to say they (drivechains) themselves are instrumental but IMO they're just a way to keep the #Bitcoin miners more profitable while they continue to suppress the fiat price of #bitcoin as the same miners will be able to collect fiat from these coins they mine even when the fiat price of #btc is low.

#Drivechain should increase the profitability of miners but how would the miners be able to collect fiat from the coins running on drivechains? By running a miner/validator on those drivechains? How is it different from running a miner/validator on another #blockchain while mining #BTC?

Again, my point is that #Bip300 won’t create new incentive for an an actor mining #Bitcoin that is also looking to mine/validate another #crypto.

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