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A Bitcoin guy.

Mmm… was waiting for 8sats/vb

Guess I’ll just wait longer

Replying to Avatar waxwing

Did you ever stop and *really* think about what it means to "do a Satoshi Nakamoto"?

Context for my weird question: I have met many, many bitcoiners over the years. Many of them take a stab at keeping privacy by doing some combo of: not revealing name, not revealing location, not revealing face. Etc. So often, if I happen to meet them in person, they end up revealing the things that they were hiding online. Quite literally a mask came off (pre covid!) once we started drinking - a simple, funny anecdotal example of what I mean. Many complain about photos being taken, many focus on always using a pseudonym. I'm sure most people reading recognize these patterns of behaviour.

I can see the purpose, up to a point, so this is not criticism. It's a little like me doing coinjoin "here and there" - you don't expect to defend yourself against a hyper powerful aggressor, only against a casual criminal looking for an easy score.

But if you do want *real* defence against *strong* attackers, you have a huge problem. These half-measures will be useless, perhaps worse than that, if you get overconfident, because the determined investigator only needs *one* strand to pull on, and the measures I describe above, which are almost always rules only half-stuck to anyway, don't cut it, at all.

Which brings me to my point: is it even possible to "go all the way"? Clearly it is; Satoshi Nakamoto is not the only person who's ever done it, but it's pretty damn rare at the very least.

Imagine what it would mean. If you are engaged in a serious project, that takes let's say at least a year's worth of full time work, then you are going to do that for no reward. Not just, no money, people do that quite often when it comes to things they genuinely enjoy, but no recognition, no social context, not even "oh I won't bother you because I know you're busy with that project". Nobody will say that because nobody will know. Imagine doing a full, intense 8 hour day of work (more likely, split over many days) and knowing that there will *never* be a direct reward of any form, for that. And then doing it again, and again.

What's more, you don't just "not get a reward". You have to do almost double the work, to ensure that at every step, every pushed commit or technical discussion, does not expose anything at the network trace level, or the language, vocabulary etc. Managing tricky pseudonym accounts, handling the headaches of Tor etc. I'm not trying to say it needs super-genius level tech skills, I'm trying to say it's a massive amount of effort.

Could you do that? I daren't even ask the question of myself, because I'm almost sure it's a no. But to *imagine* where that kind of motivation would come from, that's what fascinates me.

This is what made Satoshi such a legendary figure in history

Replying to Avatar ShiShi21m

Its funny how golds history is filled with war and pillaging. I'd bet only a small portion would have been dug up without any shenanigans

I just saw that it might be closing. Unless its a different LN tip bot

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Bitcoin learning

Spent a bunch of time on the weekend experimenting with self sovereign multi-sig in various forms and configurations

Went back to basics that interestingly exposed a few holes in my understanding .. and I therefore filled in those gaps

Who helped me .. my nerd fren nostr:npub17u5dneh8qjp43ecfxr6u5e9sjamsmxyuekrg2nlxrrk6nj9rsyrqywt4tp .. or more to the point, the AI he trained for answering questions about Bitcoin

https://www.delphi.ai/jameson-lopp/talk

I treated it like the more knowledgeable Bitcoin-fren and asked it conversational questions - clear answers that I could then validate from various sources elsewhere .. and then action

Bravo sir - thank you.

Thanks!

My favorite LLM!

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GM Nostr ☕

Great summary thread from nostr:npub1tr4dstaptd2sp98h7hlysp8qle6mw7wmauhfkgz3rmxdd8ndprusnw2y5g over on X that is worth sharing here. Some of this is interpretation of course, but make sure you're sitting down.

Have a good one 🧡⚡

https://x.com/sethforprivacy/status/1784298343755055214

Don't cave in. There's no point to bitcoin if you can't hold your own keys