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Replying to Avatar Janis

Here’s a rational argument against his position from someone living very near to Russia. You might even visit here if you choose to attend the next Nostr Unconference :)

What riles me up the most is his gripe about “NATO expanding and encroaching on Russian interests”. Here’s the thing. We worked very hard to get into NATO for more than a decade. Look up Vaira Vike Freiberga NATO speech. We wanted to get in because we never wanted the repeat of Russian occupation. We barely survived the last one as a nation.

He can’t wrap his mind around the idea that people might have a will of their own that they exercise through action.

From our point of view it was us who wanted out of the Soviet Union , we took action to achieve that (see Baltic Way, barricades). We wanted to get into EU and NATO. We took action and achieved that. It’s not Soviet Union breaking apart, and NATO expanding. We did it, even though nobody apart from us was very keen on either idea.

From this perspective, we understand Ukrainians. They wanted to rid themselves from corrupt pro-Moscow president who wanted to nix the EU association agreement. They took action, and achieved it.

To punish them, Russia annexed Crimea, and invaded the country. Then launched a full scale invasion 8 years later to destroy Ukrainians as people and as a nation.

He can’t stomach the fact that people can have a will that they express through action. He can’t stomach the fact that people would want the freedom to choose their own government.

Ahhh a Latvian 🙃🤙

Replying to Avatar Sourcenode

I've had a couple days to reflect on the Putin interview and watch how others have reacted to it.

This post may trigger some, but I have no control over how people choose to interpret what they read.

First, I will say Putin and Russia's military actions are reprehensible. I will never be an advocate for big government, war, or any sort of violence.

That being said I have not found a major point from the conversation that I disagree with. I am not an expert in European history so I can't comment on the accuracy of the first thirty minutes, but regarding the current global state of affairs, it seems Putin has a grasp on the reality of the situation. He seems to be exclusively focused on Russia's best interest and he resisted several opportunities to trash his opponents.

In comparison, the US has been screaming about Russia interfering in elections and blaming them for our inflation. Neither of these claims have been proven and the latter is completely ridiculous from a monetary policy perspective.

The arguments I have heard against Putin's position have largely been character attacks or appeals to emotion. Both are worth considering, but lack logos. So far I have not heard a logical rebuttal of his claims.

I would like to hear rational arguments against his position if anyone has some points to share.

I have no desire to argue Russia's position or any other nation. My primary interest has always been in fostering peace and a greater understanding of the world we live in.

👆 this

Russia and Ukraine supporters arguing online won't ever agree that the other side is justified or correct. Folks are dying on the ground for the positions.

Nevertheless for uninvolved parties and folks who just don't care, lies are really annoying.

Appreciate this more nuanced amd objective take.

"Russia has provided no evidence that any such operation was in the making."

-- Strawman, a slow process of border shifting is Russia's claim

Putin has offered no proof to back his repeated claims that radical, ultranationalist groups in Ukraine influence Zelenskyy and have a decisive voice in shaping the country’s policies

-- when your national heros are nazis 🤷‍♂️

Kremlin clearly was forced to retreat due to heavy losses and logistical problems while trying to capture the Ukrainian capital.

-- there was no "clearly" in that early fog of war lol

Ikik was directed at seanathan 🤣🤙🫂

"Usually…in the average" doesn't make sense. And the there is no average human being.

Not saying fluoride is good, but am saying you're speaking nonsense 🤙

Didn't blur the name? C'mon bro 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️

Of course, interpretation is where the conflict is lol

BBC's spin is that their fact checkers disagree--so naturally one thinks the facts are wrong. Unless one has realized that the opposite of MSM statements is usually closer to the truth

Pretty sure the german-soviet pact fits the narrative just fine, dunno what you're getting at there.

This isn't my bailiwick tho and I should probably shut up haha

When out of home, I'm alert and responsible for my environment

Trying to avoid a bad experience lol

Same reason I lock poisons away from toddlers 🤷‍♂️

No

Prefer to workout undrugged and unstimmed --> true baseline etc

Not a competitor or anything just staying healthy and pushing personal limits

interesting that all the facts are correct. it's the **interpretation** of the facts that these professional "fact checkers" disagree with 🤦‍♂️

music definitely gives a push. almost as good as caffeine.

personal MO is don't disconnect in public 🤙